This is not an objection to ORMs, except perhaps very simplistic ones. The ORMs I'm familiar with let you map queries to arbitrary objects. I use CTEs, joins, g

This is not an objection to ORMs, except perhaps very simplistic ones. The ORMs I'm familiar with let you map queries to arbitrary objects. I use CTEs, joins, groups, aggregations, custom columns, etc in SQL queries (with Hibernate) all the time.