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My impression is that when fly.io has been discussed in the recent past on HN, the conversation tends to be less about databases and more about Heroku alternati

My impression is that when fly.io has been discussed in the recent past on HN, the conversation tends to be less about databases and more about Heroku alternatives. (?) Out of curiosity, how _does_ fly.io see itself in relation to Heroku?

tptacek 3y ago
I'd never used it before I joined Fly.io, but everybody else in this company absolutely adored it; they're like the Rolling Stones to our Black Crowes, the key influence.
mrkurt 3y ago
Most of Heroku's revenue is from Postgres. They're arguably a managed Postgres provider with some app hosting tooling (this is not fair, but an interesting way to think about Heroku). We're not Heroku. We _like_ how amazingly easy it is to get an app up and running on Heroku. But most of us were interested in flexing the underlying infrastructure to build new types of apps. So Heroku felt very constrained. We see ourselves as, like, a good RPG. Quick to get going, rewarding and replayable when you go deep.
- craigkerstiens 3y ago
  I'd dispute that MOST of the revenue is from Postgres, though it is likely a very large double digit percentage of revenue. Their managed Postgres got an unfair advantage early on by being the default. With a new rails app you were just given a Heroku Postgres database. Heroku's Postgres offering was over 5 years ahead of RDS Postgres and a large part of the reason Amazon added support for Postgres for years they fought it, but eventually had to give into the constant customer request. Unfortunately that innovation of Postgres has stalled out a bit over time due to Salesforce starvation. I do admit for what people think of as PaaS the Postgres revenue is significant, the part people would probably be surprised about is how much revenue the add-ons marketplace constitutes. Interestingly New Relic got the same privileged experience in the early days and it resulted in the same type of revenue and mass adoption for New Relic.
Zetice 3y ago
My impression is that when fly.io has been discussed in the recent past on HN, its founders/employees/whatever swarm the comments to try and control the conversation, heh.
- lenocinor 3y ago
  Have you seen other attempts by other companies to do this here, though? They often end badly. It only works for fly.io because they know how to read the room and aren’t trying to do something horrible. EDIT: Oh, and they often add valuable info to what they posted, too.
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Yea, tbh i've not looked closely at fly before (but am now), but i have seen exactly what you've said from other companies. The responses here do feel swarmed, but also informative, "honest"[1], and often interesting about tech/mindset/etc. This post swayed my upcoming DO purchase, so.. it works a bit at least, hah. [1]: As much as we can assume, of course.

tptacek 3y ago

I'd never used it before I joined Fly.io, but everybody else in this company absolutely adored it; they're like the Rolling Stones to our Black Crowes, the key influence.

mrkurt 3y ago

Most of Heroku's revenue is from Postgres. They're arguably a managed Postgres provider with some app hosting tooling (this is not fair, but an interesting way to think about Heroku). We're not Heroku. We _like_ how amazingly easy it is to get an app up and running on Heroku. But most of us were interested in flexing the underlying infrastructure to build new types of apps. So Heroku felt very constrained. We see ourselves as, like, a good RPG. Quick to get going, rewarding and replayable when you go deep.

craigkerstiens 3y ago
I'd dispute that MOST of the revenue is from Postgres, though it is likely a very large double digit percentage of revenue. Their managed Postgres got an unfair advantage early on by being the default. With a new rails app you were just given a Heroku Postgres database. Heroku's Postgres offering was over 5 years ahead of RDS Postgres and a large part of the reason Amazon added support for Postgres for years they fought it, but eventually had to give into the constant customer request. Unfortunately that innovation of Postgres has stalled out a bit over time due to Salesforce starvation. I do admit for what people think of as PaaS the Postgres revenue is significant, the part people would probably be surprised about is how much revenue the add-ons marketplace constitutes. Interestingly New Relic got the same privileged experience in the early days and it resulted in the same type of revenue and mass adoption for New Relic.

Zetice 3y ago

My impression is that when fly.io has been discussed in the recent past on HN, its founders/employees/whatever swarm the comments to try and control the conversation, heh.

lenocinor 3y ago
Have you seen other attempts by other companies to do this here, though? They often end badly. It only works for fly.io because they know how to read the room and aren’t trying to do something horrible. EDIT: Oh, and they often add valuable info to what they posted, too.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Yea, tbh i've not looked closely at fly before (but am now), but i have seen exactly what you've said from other companies. The responses here do feel swarmed, but also informative, "honest"[1], and often interesting about tech/mindset/etc. This post swayed my upcoming DO purchase, so.. it works a bit at least, hah. [1]: As much as we can assume, of course.