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Many of you here are deep in Tech. Probably many with Apple, Google, and Facebook. Just wondering how do you feel about this? I was a network engineer and one

Many of you here are deep in Tech. Probably many with Apple, Google, and Facebook. Just wondering how do you feel about this? I was a network engineer and one of the reasons I left was seeing the reality of packet inspection and what that could mean.

mikece 3y ago
How much does using Graphene OS instead of an iPhone or stock Android help insulate from this pervasive monitoring?
- asynchronous 3y ago
  Depends who your ISP is. The NSA has shown past ability and willingness to just wiretap all packets they care about coming through the ISP layer.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  Graphene OS? 100% if you do not use any Google apps.
  - deelowe 3y ago
    I don't get this. How does one believe Android is compromised and yet, the hardware is not. I'm not aware of Google intentionally placing backdoors in Android. However, I am very much aware of hardware makers compromising shipping products, be it the ASIC itself or FW being loaded by ODMs/system integrators.
    - leon_theremin 3y ago
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deelowe 3y ago
I sleep well at night. I can't speak for all of high tech, but my experience was that we encrypted everything on the phy itself. All data was encrypted via hardware before it left the host and was never decrypted until it reached its endpoint. If the endpoint was one of our devices, it was again decrypted in hardware. Outside of this, I don't expect Google, fb, etc to ignore court subpoenas. That is not a tech issue, it's a government one (if there is really any issue at all).
- EA-3167 3y ago
  Plus for all of the MANY years of hand-wringing and doomsaying, the slippery slope never seems to appear.
  - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
    It is here, right now. They are actively collecting this data as using it extra judicially to convict people of crimes. You feel fine about all this because it does not affect you. Yet. And the person who you are responding to is encrypting everything, which google, facebook ,et all are not doing.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      I'd love some examples of these "extra judicial" convictions, and as I said I'm tired of the "yet" argument. I've been hearing this my whole life, as though the government never monitored pre-internet communications. And as far as active collection, how does that compare to people happily and eagerly sharing every aspect of their lives on FB?
    - gretch 3y ago
      Disclosure: work in big tech. > It is here, right now. You should know that this type of argument is likely to hurt your own position when delivered to a moderate middle. You're basically telling people to ignore what they see and hear around them, and to believe that not only is the end coming - it has already come and we are living in a dystopia. The reality I see when I go outside is that me and my neighbors and my community is doing fine. Is there problems? Sure there are, as there always was and always will be. But no my friend, we are not at the bottom of a slippery slope. From what I see there's way more problematic extra-judicial action that has zero to do with big tech - cops just shooting people in the streets over minor infractions... that's where I spend my activist hours.
lern_too_spel 3y ago
If the government presents a company with a warrant to wiretap an account, as happens in these cases, they should sleep well at night. Due process is followed, and we as society have decided that warrants are a reasonable trade-off between privacy and successful criminal prosecution.

mikece 3y ago

How much does using Graphene OS instead of an iPhone or stock Android help insulate from this pervasive monitoring?

asynchronous 3y ago
Depends who your ISP is. The NSA has shown past ability and willingness to just wiretap all packets they care about coming through the ISP layer.
FollowingTheDao 3y ago
Graphene OS? 100% if you do not use any Google apps.
- deelowe 3y ago
  I don't get this. How does one believe Android is compromised and yet, the hardware is not. I'm not aware of Google intentionally placing backdoors in Android. However, I am very much aware of hardware makers compromising shipping products, be it the ASIC itself or FW being loaded by ODMs/system integrators.
  - leon_theremin 3y ago
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deelowe 3y ago

I sleep well at night. I can't speak for all of high tech, but my experience was that we encrypted everything on the phy itself. All data was encrypted via hardware before it left the host and was never decrypted until it reached its endpoint. If the endpoint was one of our devices, it was again decrypted in hardware. Outside of this, I don't expect Google, fb, etc to ignore court subpoenas. That is not a tech issue, it's a government one (if there is really any issue at all).

EA-3167 3y ago
Plus for all of the MANY years of hand-wringing and doomsaying, the slippery slope never seems to appear.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  It is here, right now. They are actively collecting this data as using it extra judicially to convict people of crimes. You feel fine about all this because it does not affect you. Yet. And the person who you are responding to is encrypting everything, which google, facebook ,et all are not doing.
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    I'd love some examples of these "extra judicial" convictions, and as I said I'm tired of the "yet" argument. I've been hearing this my whole life, as though the government never monitored pre-internet communications. And as far as active collection, how does that compare to people happily and eagerly sharing every aspect of their lives on FB?
  - gretch 3y ago
    Disclosure: work in big tech. > It is here, right now. You should know that this type of argument is likely to hurt your own position when delivered to a moderate middle. You're basically telling people to ignore what they see and hear around them, and to believe that not only is the end coming - it has already come and we are living in a dystopia. The reality I see when I go outside is that me and my neighbors and my community is doing fine. Is there problems? Sure there are, as there always was and always will be. But no my friend, we are not at the bottom of a slippery slope. From what I see there's way more problematic extra-judicial action that has zero to do with big tech - cops just shooting people in the streets over minor infractions... that's where I spend my activist hours.

lern_too_spel 3y ago

If the government presents a company with a warrant to wiretap an account, as happens in these cases, they should sleep well at night. Due process is followed, and we as society have decided that warrants are a reasonable trade-off between privacy and successful criminal prosecution.