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You know what's so great about adulthood? You can live it as you wish if you are not harming others, you might not have unlimited freedom due to all responsibil

by piva00 3y ago

You know what's so great about adulthood? You can live it as you wish if you are not harming others, you might not have unlimited freedom due to all responsibilities you are now under but for the most part, it's your choice, it's your path. If one wants to have action figures, or read comics, or whatever their heart's desire: you may, it's your life, it's your adulthood. Trying to paint adulthood as some kind of suffering we have to endure, we have to be serious, we have to be whatever you think one needs to be as an adult is... Just sad. Life is best lived when you can have fun, love, and a sense of accomplishment, some people have that by doing research and pursuing great new discoveries, some by starting businesses and products they envision, and some others find other ways to fulfill the yearning for living. Don't be a sad, serious adult, trying to tell other adults how to live their lives. It's a waste of your life, go be fulfilled without having to project your insecurities unto others. Disclaimer: I own no action figures and have no interest in comics, so no direct offense taken, just feel that this seriousness is exactly the pressure that harms so many people who don't feel they fit the mold you are trying to put everyone in.

c_crank 3y ago
Life without action figures and comic books isn't supposed to be suffering, it's supposed to be a realization that such things are childish for a reason. Adults deal with responsibility, and have their own joys that children can't share.
- bmacho 3y ago
  > Life without action figures and comic books isn't supposed to be suffering, it's supposed to be a realization that such things are childish for a reason. And the reason is that you personally want to be superior to others, and the best you can come up with is insulting their hobbies and taste.
  - c_crank 3y ago
    I didn't invent the conception of comic books and action figures as childish. It's very much worth considering why it exists and where it came from.
    - bmacho 3y ago
      It exists because you want to feel good by looking down to others, and this is the best you can come up with. I don't know where does it came from. The church, probably? Does it matter, tho? edit: you are bullying people for their hobbies and taste, it is bad, please stop.
      - c_crank 3y ago
        It came from people organically reacting to the flood of juvenile comic book stories put out in the 50s. Nothing to do with "the church" at all.
        bmacho 3y ago
        Yes, and the audience mainly consisted of young adults. Now that this is settled, I think you should stop insulting people because of their hobbies and taste.
- piva00 3y ago
  If you'd explain why such things are childish we can have a conversation about it, just calling things names to evoke certain aversion based on some black-and-white worldview that categorises them in "correct" and "wrong" is anti-intellectual, and so certainly childish.
  - c_crank 3y ago
    I can try and explain it. The definition is not going to rely on any kind of hard values or studies, because it is a soft cultural term used for name calling. Passions that are seen as childish usually tend to lack any sort of practical utility. Action figures and games are ultimately just timewasters. Kids learning to build stuff with woodworking tools would seem less childish because that is a useful skill compared to building things out of legos. Often, a skill that would otherwise be practical becomes childish when it is simplified to be impractical, and thus, easier for kids to learn. Even in the world of fiction and literature, which can easily be argued to be a timewaster regardless of quality, the stuff that is childish is also generally seen as overly simplified. Explicitly this is done by ratings boards that don't let certain content be present in kid's movies and books. Implicitly, writers and directors can and do simplify and dumb down their work when creating something made for children. It is possible for someone making a work for children not to rely so much on simplification, but the reality is that this happens far less often then proponents of the "Young Adult" genre would suggest. Just go look at the shit you find in a bookstore if you think I'm wrong. I wouldn't call being anti-intellectual childish by this definition, though, because there is a practical value in realizing that intellectuals can say incorrect things at any time.
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    - chx 3y ago
      > Passions that are seen as childish usually tend to lack any sort of practical utility. Action figures and games are ultimately just timewasters. Please read up on cognitive rest. Doing nothing is important.
licebmi__at__ 3y ago
I have a different reading of GP. It’s not that being an adult involves pain, but that growing up almost certainly involves pain; changes, uncertainty, giving up stuff, all of this causes pain. And I certainly agree that people seem to be afraid of growing up. Last time I met with my friends from college for a trip, I enjoyed the first few days, yet I became unnerved by the idea that they seem frozen in time. And I don’t think I’m being judgmental of they having a good time, because they didn’t seemed to be having a good time. Most of the talks were about them having problems to keep doing the same things as 15 years ago, dealing with the consequence of trying to do the same things and overall misery about the fact that they are not in their 20s anymore. I mean and don’t say that they need to grow up, have kids and “act like adults” but they definitely seemed to just refuse change. If this is what people mean when they talk about the infantilism in current generation, I agree with them and also find it worrisome.
- mlyle 3y ago
  > Look at all the "adult" men today, especially in America for some reason, whose desks are littered with action figures and whose offices contain a shrine to comic book superheros and Star Wars/Trek that would put the Sistine Chapel to shame. ... > These are people who do not take their lives seriously. Someone clearly never told them that they're not 10 years old anymore. Growing up / moving / progressing / changing is important. But a fear of being childish is not the same thing-- indeed it's something more that was a feature of my childhood than my adulthood. When important stuff is going down, I'll buckle up. Even in other times, I'll face big issues and think and consider. I will mentally temper myself into someone who understands more things and is a broader person. I will have adult conversations. I will-- reluctantly-- confront the ephemerality of so many things in life. And I will still come back and play with toys and enjoy video games.

by piva00 3y ago

c_crank 3y ago

Life without action figures and comic books isn't supposed to be suffering, it's supposed to be a realization that such things are childish for a reason. Adults deal with responsibility, and have their own joys that children can't share.

bmacho 3y ago
> Life without action figures and comic books isn't supposed to be suffering, it's supposed to be a realization that such things are childish for a reason. And the reason is that you personally want to be superior to others, and the best you can come up with is insulting their hobbies and taste.
- c_crank 3y ago
  I didn't invent the conception of comic books and action figures as childish. It's very much worth considering why it exists and where it came from.
  - bmacho 3y ago
    It exists because you want to feel good by looking down to others, and this is the best you can come up with. I don't know where does it came from. The church, probably? Does it matter, tho? edit: you are bullying people for their hobbies and taste, it is bad, please stop.
    - c_crank 3y ago
      It came from people organically reacting to the flood of juvenile comic book stories put out in the 50s. Nothing to do with "the church" at all.
      - bmacho 3y ago
        Yes, and the audience mainly consisted of young adults. Now that this is settled, I think you should stop insulting people because of their hobbies and taste.
piva00 3y ago
If you'd explain why such things are childish we can have a conversation about it, just calling things names to evoke certain aversion based on some black-and-white worldview that categorises them in "correct" and "wrong" is anti-intellectual, and so certainly childish.
- c_crank 3y ago
  I can try and explain it. The definition is not going to rely on any kind of hard values or studies, because it is a soft cultural term used for name calling. Passions that are seen as childish usually tend to lack any sort of practical utility. Action figures and games are ultimately just timewasters. Kids learning to build stuff with woodworking tools would seem less childish because that is a useful skill compared to building things out of legos. Often, a skill that would otherwise be practical becomes childish when it is simplified to be impractical, and thus, easier for kids to learn. Even in the world of fiction and literature, which can easily be argued to be a timewaster regardless of quality, the stuff that is childish is also generally seen as overly simplified. Explicitly this is done by ratings boards that don't let certain content be present in kid's movies and books. Implicitly, writers and directors can and do simplify and dumb down their work when creating something made for children. It is possible for someone making a work for children not to rely so much on simplification, but the reality is that this happens far less often then proponents of the "Young Adult" genre would suggest. Just go look at the shit you find in a bookstore if you think I'm wrong. I wouldn't call being anti-intellectual childish by this definition, though, because there is a practical value in realizing that intellectuals can say incorrect things at any time.
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  - chx 3y ago
    > Passions that are seen as childish usually tend to lack any sort of practical utility. Action figures and games are ultimately just timewasters. Please read up on cognitive rest. Doing nothing is important.

licebmi__at__ 3y ago

I have a different reading of GP. It’s not that being an adult involves pain, but that growing up almost certainly involves pain; changes, uncertainty, giving up stuff, all of this causes pain. And I certainly agree that people seem to be afraid of growing up. Last time I met with my friends from college for a trip, I enjoyed the first few days, yet I became unnerved by the idea that they seem frozen in time. And I don’t think I’m being judgmental of they having a good time, because they didn’t seemed to be having a good time. Most of the talks were about them having problems to keep doing the same things as 15 years ago, dealing with the consequence of trying to do the same things and overall misery about the fact that they are not in their 20s anymore. I mean and don’t say that they need to grow up, have kids and “act like adults” but they definitely seemed to just refuse change. If this is what people mean when they talk about the infantilism in current generation, I agree with them and also find it worrisome.

mlyle 3y ago
> Look at all the "adult" men today, especially in America for some reason, whose desks are littered with action figures and whose offices contain a shrine to comic book superheros and Star Wars/Trek that would put the Sistine Chapel to shame. ... > These are people who do not take their lives seriously. Someone clearly never told them that they're not 10 years old anymore. Growing up / moving / progressing / changing is important. But a fear of being childish is not the same thing-- indeed it's something more that was a feature of my childhood than my adulthood. When important stuff is going down, I'll buckle up. Even in other times, I'll face big issues and think and consider. I will mentally temper myself into someone who understands more things and is a broader person. I will have adult conversations. I will-- reluctantly-- confront the ephemerality of so many things in life. And I will still come back and play with toys and enjoy video games.