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Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some inc

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

bbor 3y ago
And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible… In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)
- nwienert 3y ago
  It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.
SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.
- nwienert 3y ago
  Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.
    - nwienert 3y ago
      I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.
      - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?
        nwienert 3y ago
        One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.
        SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.
        nwienert 3y ago
        And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right! Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.
        3y ago

bbor 3y ago

And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible… In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)

nwienert 3y ago
It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago

But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.

nwienert 3y ago
Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.
  - nwienert 3y ago
    I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?
      - nwienert 3y ago
        One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.
        SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.
        nwienert 3y ago
        And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right! Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.
        3y ago