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Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting n

Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

mike_hearn 3y ago
Exciting or terrifying? Seems like it would be highly dependent on context and how minor details get interpreted.
nwienert 3y ago
Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.
- bbor 3y ago
  And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible… In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)
  - nwienert 3y ago
    It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.
  - nwienert 3y ago
    Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.
      - nwienert 3y ago
        I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.
        SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?
        nwienert 3y ago
        One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.
adamsmith143 3y ago
Right they simultaneously believe the government is so incompetent they can't implement national healthcare that every other major nation on earth has figured out but are so competent they can get thousands of people to keep the most impactful secret in the history of mankind.
- prirun 3y ago
  Not implementing national healthcare is a choice made to placate US corporations that contribute to politicians' campaigns. Like most "hard to solve" problems, it isn't a competency issue and isn't that hard to solve. The "problem" makes a lot of money for the right people, and it doesn't matter that it costs a lot of money for most people.
  - adamsmith143 3y ago
    I'm talking about the constituents who actually believe that the reason not to adopt nationalized healthcare is because the gov would screw it up.
aceazzameen 3y ago
But what if all aliens are body snatchers? And the first people to use as hosts are our leaders? Conspiracy theorists can finish the rest of the story. Their fictions always have the right answers without the proof.
ancientworldnow 3y ago
Well people have been leaking claims for decades (since roswell) so perhaps they haven't kept it secret but it didn't matter because no one believed it anyway.

mike_hearn 3y ago

Exciting or terrifying? Seems like it would be highly dependent on context and how minor details get interpreted.

nwienert 3y ago

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

bbor 3y ago
And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible… In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)
- nwienert 3y ago
  It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.
SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.
- nwienert 3y ago
  Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.
    - nwienert 3y ago
      I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.
      - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?
        nwienert 3y ago
        One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.

adamsmith143 3y ago

Right they simultaneously believe the government is so incompetent they can't implement national healthcare that every other major nation on earth has figured out but are so competent they can get thousands of people to keep the most impactful secret in the history of mankind.

prirun 3y ago
Not implementing national healthcare is a choice made to placate US corporations that contribute to politicians' campaigns. Like most "hard to solve" problems, it isn't a competency issue and isn't that hard to solve. The "problem" makes a lot of money for the right people, and it doesn't matter that it costs a lot of money for most people.
- adamsmith143 3y ago
  I'm talking about the constituents who actually believe that the reason not to adopt nationalized healthcare is because the gov would screw it up.

aceazzameen 3y ago

But what if all aliens are body snatchers? And the first people to use as hosts are our leaders? Conspiracy theorists can finish the rest of the story. Their fictions always have the right answers without the proof.

ancientworldnow 3y ago

Well people have been leaking claims for decades (since roswell) so perhaps they haven't kept it secret but it didn't matter because no one believed it anyway.