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There sure is a lot of UFO talk around the same time audio of a former president laughing about all the treason he’s committing. Probably just a coincidence.

waihtis 3y ago
As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y?
- bbor 3y ago
  Uhhhh not OP but yes I believe only one president has shown off classified material for money and power and ego. Disliking the system doesn’t mean we should abandon all critiques of politicians while we wait for our personal utopia to come about.
- 7thaccount 3y ago
  That's a good point other than the fact that it sounds like you're saying he doesn't need to be held accountable in a court of law for his numerous crimes. No politician should be exempt from the law.
  - waihtis 3y ago
    No, actually I want more accountability as ultimately the money politicians launder into their own pockets directly or indirectly comes from a power vested by citizens. Useful idiots who point fingers at one edge of the political spectrum are smokescreening the bigger issue.
    - 7thaccount 3y ago
      I don't think it's an either or thing. Both situations are bad. We should both hold Trump accountable AND push against corruptions by all politicians. If Hunter Biden was influence peddling (no idea if he was)...that's a problem too and so is whatever I assume Jared and Ivanka were doing for 4 years (e.g. the $2B Jared reportedly got from Saudi Arabia). I do agree that some of the culture war is likely manufactured to prevent a concentrated movement against a system that overly caters to the ultra wealthy.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? No, a bunch of somewhat less high-level but still, in some cases, high-level ones are somewhat less flamboyant co-conspirators, co-principals, and/or accessories in Trump’s crimes, as well as having their own; most of the rest are comparatively if not absolutely clean. > If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y? I don’t know about the person you’re responding to, but I’ve written more, over a longer time, about the structural problems of the American political system than about Trump’s personal crimes, and I’ve written specifically about how the culture of impunity fed by, inter alia, Ford’s pardon of Nixon fueled a series of subsequent executive abuses of which Trump’s are the most serious. One can simultaneously recognize and discusss the forest and the unique, largest tree. The one does not, and should not, preclude discussion of the other, both are important.
- saalweachter 3y ago
  You've got to act like most politicians are clean and investigate and prosecute the ones who reveal themselves otherwise, regardless of what the ground truth is. The "all politicians are crooks" line of thinking just gives the crooks a free pass while making it more difficult for whatever actors are trying to hold them accountable, whether for virtue's sake or for base political gain. Occasionally punishing a crook -- even if it is only a fraction of those deserving of punishment -- will make a few politicians of the next generation act a little less boldly, while shrugging your shoulders and saying "everyone does it" will make them ask what else they can get away with. Cynicism, even cynicism grounded in realism, doesn't make the world a better place.
bbor 3y ago
It is. This article is about A) “ Senate Intelligence Committee’s [draft] legislation”, which is a democrat-run process that surely started before last weekend, and B) Marco Rubio describing facts everyone already knew, which idk seems like normal congress stuff. I think you’re in a conspiratorial mood, haha. Ironic that your conspiracy is against the existence of UFOs!
- edgyquant 3y ago
  No you don’t get it. Nothing ever happens, all news is just a distraction /s

waihtis 3y ago

As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y?

bbor 3y ago
Uhhhh not OP but yes I believe only one president has shown off classified material for money and power and ego. Disliking the system doesn’t mean we should abandon all critiques of politicians while we wait for our personal utopia to come about.
7thaccount 3y ago
That's a good point other than the fact that it sounds like you're saying he doesn't need to be held accountable in a court of law for his numerous crimes. No politician should be exempt from the law.
- waihtis 3y ago
  No, actually I want more accountability as ultimately the money politicians launder into their own pockets directly or indirectly comes from a power vested by citizens. Useful idiots who point fingers at one edge of the political spectrum are smokescreening the bigger issue.
  - 7thaccount 3y ago
    I don't think it's an either or thing. Both situations are bad. We should both hold Trump accountable AND push against corruptions by all politicians. If Hunter Biden was influence peddling (no idea if he was)...that's a problem too and so is whatever I assume Jared and Ivanka were doing for 4 years (e.g. the $2B Jared reportedly got from Saudi Arabia). I do agree that some of the culture war is likely manufactured to prevent a concentrated movement against a system that overly caters to the ultra wealthy.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? No, a bunch of somewhat less high-level but still, in some cases, high-level ones are somewhat less flamboyant co-conspirators, co-principals, and/or accessories in Trump’s crimes, as well as having their own; most of the rest are comparatively if not absolutely clean. > If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y? I don’t know about the person you’re responding to, but I’ve written more, over a longer time, about the structural problems of the American political system than about Trump’s personal crimes, and I’ve written specifically about how the culture of impunity fed by, inter alia, Ford’s pardon of Nixon fueled a series of subsequent executive abuses of which Trump’s are the most serious. One can simultaneously recognize and discusss the forest and the unique, largest tree. The one does not, and should not, preclude discussion of the other, both are important.
saalweachter 3y ago
You've got to act like most politicians are clean and investigate and prosecute the ones who reveal themselves otherwise, regardless of what the ground truth is. The "all politicians are crooks" line of thinking just gives the crooks a free pass while making it more difficult for whatever actors are trying to hold them accountable, whether for virtue's sake or for base political gain. Occasionally punishing a crook -- even if it is only a fraction of those deserving of punishment -- will make a few politicians of the next generation act a little less boldly, while shrugging your shoulders and saying "everyone does it" will make them ask what else they can get away with. Cynicism, even cynicism grounded in realism, doesn't make the world a better place.

bbor 3y ago

It is. This article is about A) “ Senate Intelligence Committee’s [draft] legislation”, which is a democrat-run process that surely started before last weekend, and B) Marco Rubio describing facts everyone already knew, which idk seems like normal congress stuff. I think you’re in a conspiratorial mood, haha. Ironic that your conspiracy is against the existence of UFOs!

edgyquant 3y ago
No you don’t get it. Nothing ever happens, all news is just a distraction /s