3 ms·

People with from countries with low standards of living would simply undercut the market, destroying it for citizens. This already happens to some degree with

People with from countries with low standards of living would simply undercut the market, destroying it for citizens. This already happens to some degree with the visa, but without it, the entire would would rush to the highest paying country, push wages down until there's a different country paying more, then move there, repeat. If a country doesn't prioritize the interests of it's citizens, who will?

mrtksn 3y ago
This sounds awfully lot like artificially creating a shortage and this artificial shortages can seem to benefit those who create it but on the grand scale it is bad for the society as a whole because it simply means a suboptimal market. At first, I agree that an adjustment period will be needed but this is only because current we have artificial market borders and it will eventually stabilize. There's nothing wrong with someone else takes someones job by providing greater value, be it by doing it for cheaper or doing it better. In other words, if Albanian window cleaners end up driving the Canadian window cleaners out of business, Canada will end up with better cleaned windows or more money to spend on something else than window cleaning. The Canadian window cleaners will need to adapt but the world will be a better place, except for some of the Canadian window cleaners who used to overcharge thanks to the artificial market forces.
- stcroixx 3y ago
  It is bad for society as a whole - it prioritizes the interests of citizens of one country. That's all countries are - groups of people competing against each others. There are winners and losers. I'm fine with this. It allows countries the freedom to run things according to their values and sink or swim accordingly.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Why don't you limit other subgroups for your advantage? Women used to be like that but it's not cool anymore. People from certain race used to be limited for the advantage of another race but it's not the case anymore. Why just don't drop all these shenanigans and adopt a meritocracy? A meritocracy will yield a much better society where you won't need to be from the privileged class to have a good life.
    - stcroixx 3y ago
      That would go against the majorities preference within my country where everyone is equal under the law. Other groups of people in other places may feel differently in their sovereign nations. There is no global authority here to resolve these kinds of disputes or impose it's will on those nations.
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        > everyone is equal under the law Apparently not. If that was the case, you would have equal punishment for equal crimes.

mrtksn 3y ago

This sounds awfully lot like artificially creating a shortage and this artificial shortages can seem to benefit those who create it but on the grand scale it is bad for the society as a whole because it simply means a suboptimal market. At first, I agree that an adjustment period will be needed but this is only because current we have artificial market borders and it will eventually stabilize. There's nothing wrong with someone else takes someones job by providing greater value, be it by doing it for cheaper or doing it better. In other words, if Albanian window cleaners end up driving the Canadian window cleaners out of business, Canada will end up with better cleaned windows or more money to spend on something else than window cleaning. The Canadian window cleaners will need to adapt but the world will be a better place, except for some of the Canadian window cleaners who used to overcharge thanks to the artificial market forces.

stcroixx 3y ago
It is bad for society as a whole - it prioritizes the interests of citizens of one country. That's all countries are - groups of people competing against each others. There are winners and losers. I'm fine with this. It allows countries the freedom to run things according to their values and sink or swim accordingly.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Why don't you limit other subgroups for your advantage? Women used to be like that but it's not cool anymore. People from certain race used to be limited for the advantage of another race but it's not the case anymore. Why just don't drop all these shenanigans and adopt a meritocracy? A meritocracy will yield a much better society where you won't need to be from the privileged class to have a good life.
  - stcroixx 3y ago
    That would go against the majorities preference within my country where everyone is equal under the law. Other groups of people in other places may feel differently in their sovereign nations. There is no global authority here to resolve these kinds of disputes or impose it's will on those nations.
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      > everyone is equal under the law Apparently not. If that was the case, you would have equal punishment for equal crimes.