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Do you have any evidence suggesting record numbers? Canada's official numbers do show that Q3 2022 was a record high for emigration (16.5k -- Q3 2018 was 15.5k

Do you have any evidence suggesting record numbers? Canada's official numbers do show that Q3 2022 was a record high for emigration (16.5k -- Q3 2018 was 15.5k), but other recent quarters (Q4 2022, Q1 2023, etc) are still lower than prior years. And you have a significantly higher population now than back then.[1] [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710004001&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=01&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2018&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=01&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20180101%2C20230101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171000...

RobertDeNiro 3y ago
I wonder how remote works factors into this. I know a few Canadians with US jobs that stayed here because the corporate policy now allows them to work remotely.
dontwearitout 3y ago
It's very bad for tech in particular. This is a bit dated, but ~84% of Waterloo grads jump ship to the US (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25911922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25911922). Put another way, it's a roll of the dice chance that a graduate stays in Canada.
- bentlegen 3y ago
  That linked report says that 84% of Software Engineering Waterloo grads, from the class 2020, intended or desired to move to the US (it's unclear if they actually did -- the poll was completed June 2020).[1] A very important detail here is that Software Engineering is a specific specialization under the Engineering faculty. This figure does not include Computer Science graduates, for example, as that is a separate and much larger department. So, this is a poll of 87 students (out of ~107) of a very specific graduating class. To put this in perspective, the Computer Science department at Waterloo is 4,000 undergraduate students.[2] I'm not refuting that Canadian graduates often look to the US for better employment opportunities (full disclosure: I did that), but I think we owe ourselves to look at this topic objectively. [1] https://uw-se-2020-class-profile.github.io/profile.pdf https://uw-se-2020-class-profile.github.io/profile.pdf [2] https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/about/quick-facts https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/about/quick-facts
hg35h4 3y ago
You are only looking at one small part. Total immigration affecting housing & jobs are regular immigrants + temporary foreign workers + students (who often also work and have had most work restrictions removed). Each group also has their own path to citizenship. Our government is unfortunately targeting >500,000 per year even though housing cannot catch up. When people have kids they take almost 20 years to need their own space, direct adult immigration like this takes a housing unit away from an already tight market.

RobertDeNiro 3y ago

I wonder how remote works factors into this. I know a few Canadians with US jobs that stayed here because the corporate policy now allows them to work remotely.

dontwearitout 3y ago

It's very bad for tech in particular. This is a bit dated, but ~84% of Waterloo grads jump ship to the US (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25911922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25911922). Put another way, it's a roll of the dice chance that a graduate stays in Canada.

bentlegen 3y ago
That linked report says that 84% of Software Engineering Waterloo grads, from the class 2020, intended or desired to move to the US (it's unclear if they actually did -- the poll was completed June 2020).[1] A very important detail here is that Software Engineering is a specific specialization under the Engineering faculty. This figure does not include Computer Science graduates, for example, as that is a separate and much larger department. So, this is a poll of 87 students (out of ~107) of a very specific graduating class. To put this in perspective, the Computer Science department at Waterloo is 4,000 undergraduate students.[2] I'm not refuting that Canadian graduates often look to the US for better employment opportunities (full disclosure: I did that), but I think we owe ourselves to look at this topic objectively. [1] https://uw-se-2020-class-profile.github.io/profile.pdf https://uw-se-2020-class-profile.github.io/profile.pdf [2] https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/about/quick-facts https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/about/quick-facts

hg35h4 3y ago

You are only looking at one small part. Total immigration affecting housing & jobs are regular immigrants + temporary foreign workers + students (who often also work and have had most work restrictions removed). Each group also has their own path to citizenship. Our government is unfortunately targeting >500,000 per year even though housing cannot catch up. When people have kids they take almost 20 years to need their own space, direct adult immigration like this takes a housing unit away from an already tight market.