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It's actually part of our national immigration strategy. If you have 2 kids you can get to Canada faster especially school age. If you have over $500k you use

by shyn3 3y ago

It's actually part of our national immigration strategy. If you have 2 kids you can get to Canada faster especially school age. If you have over $500k you used to be able to get into Quebec and drive into Ontario. Since 2010 the goal was 100m in 2050 Right now we need farmers.

randomdata 3y ago
> Right now we need farmers. What for? As a Canadian farmer I struggle to grow my operation because there are 100s of other farmers lined up in front of me, champing at the bit to do the same, with not enough resources to go around. I could more than double the size of my operation without breaking a sweat. I spend most of my days working in tech because there isn't enough farm work to do. In fact, nearly half of all farmers in Canada have an off-farm job, with 68% of them working full-time off the farm. Those who have bitten off more than they can chew likely think we need more farmhands, but they could also downsize and let other farmers pick up the slack.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  What's the difference between a farmer and a farmhand? Like, why do you work in tech instead of being a farm hand on your surplus time? I assume since you are experienced, they'd offer you a good salary? Or is the matter not that they need farmhands, but more that they need cheap labour to exploit?
  - randomdata 3y ago
    A farmer owns a farm business. A farmhand works for a farmer. While it is not completely unheard of for farmers to also be farmhands, there is difficulty in that the farms will generally share the same busy seasons. Meaning that your employer will want you on the job most especially during the times you will want a vacation to work on your own farm. For me, it is also questionable how much I want to help out the competition. While farmers are generally good spirited and try to work together for a greater good, there is still only so much resources to go around, and I want to see my business thrive. I'd jump in and help in a pinch, but to make it a career... But it is also true that tech will pay me more than other farmers will. That certainly seals the deal.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      That's what I'm getting at a little bit. Everybody wants to be the business owner and then demand that cheap labour should materialize, ready to work for them. Ideally working just during the season when they're needed and then get lost. They need a constant stream of desperate people to abuse in order for that business model to work out - and I guess that's why farming historically has been the main industry for slavery. Or a family business where the profits of cheap labour one day ends up in the hands of the labourer when he inherits the farm.
      - randomdata 3y ago
        > Everybody wants to be the business owner and then demand that cheap labour should materialize, ready to work for them. I don't know if the labour is cheap, exactly. Tech is kind of an outlier among few other careers in the level of pay. I expect being a farmhand would still be my second best choice in terms of pay opportunity. Of course, being the owner is more fun. The thrill of the gamble is like no other.
- shyn3 3y ago
  As the environment policies kick in many farmers won't agree so someone has to take over. Similar to what's happening in cities where companies can't find people as many people left, Toronto, so all your retail is immigrants. If someone grew up here 20 years ago and was making minimum wage they could buy a house, that same job doesn't even pay for a bachelor today, they have no incentive to stay. Some of the policies that are passing will reduce your profits significantly and someone from another country will be willing to work for less.
mrangle 3y ago
I'm sure that what you typed here is non-sequitur. Taxation is not government profit. If you have the ability to print unlimited IOUs for other people to exchange for goods and services, and you recapture a portion of what you distributed through taxation every time a transaction occurs, did you "profit"? No. You shrunk supply to raise the value of your IOUs. Taxation of domestically derived income is almost entirely a money supply mechanism. The government doesn't need to create more salaries to do this. They could simply encourage higher salaries (like tightening immigration), and if that wasn't enough they could raise taxes. They have other mechanisms of shrinking supply, as well. While tax money is also redistributed back to various government functions, governments commonly print non-tax money to fund their functions. Labor pool immigration, in the context of an abundant labor pool, is what it has always been: weakening of labor bargaining, undercutting of market salary, and a separate slew of political motivations. 100m by 2050 reads like incoming feudalism. Best of luck with it.
- shyn3 3y ago
  Taxes have to be increased slowly or people complain. So instead of increasing Federal taxes we increase the gas tax so you see it in the cost of your food. It's not so easy just to raise taxes. Raising salaries doesn't increase output, only gdp. Taxation was tongue in cheek, but moreso our strategy is tax the blood out of immigrants to keep the country going, as really when you first come here, you don't earn much.

by shyn3 3y ago

randomdata 3y ago

> Right now we need farmers. What for? As a Canadian farmer I struggle to grow my operation because there are 100s of other farmers lined up in front of me, champing at the bit to do the same, with not enough resources to go around. I could more than double the size of my operation without breaking a sweat. I spend most of my days working in tech because there isn't enough farm work to do. In fact, nearly half of all farmers in Canada have an off-farm job, with 68% of them working full-time off the farm. Those who have bitten off more than they can chew likely think we need more farmhands, but they could also downsize and let other farmers pick up the slack.

carlosjobim 3y ago
What's the difference between a farmer and a farmhand? Like, why do you work in tech instead of being a farm hand on your surplus time? I assume since you are experienced, they'd offer you a good salary? Or is the matter not that they need farmhands, but more that they need cheap labour to exploit?
- randomdata 3y ago
  A farmer owns a farm business. A farmhand works for a farmer. While it is not completely unheard of for farmers to also be farmhands, there is difficulty in that the farms will generally share the same busy seasons. Meaning that your employer will want you on the job most especially during the times you will want a vacation to work on your own farm. For me, it is also questionable how much I want to help out the competition. While farmers are generally good spirited and try to work together for a greater good, there is still only so much resources to go around, and I want to see my business thrive. I'd jump in and help in a pinch, but to make it a career... But it is also true that tech will pay me more than other farmers will. That certainly seals the deal.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    That's what I'm getting at a little bit. Everybody wants to be the business owner and then demand that cheap labour should materialize, ready to work for them. Ideally working just during the season when they're needed and then get lost. They need a constant stream of desperate people to abuse in order for that business model to work out - and I guess that's why farming historically has been the main industry for slavery. Or a family business where the profits of cheap labour one day ends up in the hands of the labourer when he inherits the farm.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      > Everybody wants to be the business owner and then demand that cheap labour should materialize, ready to work for them. I don't know if the labour is cheap, exactly. Tech is kind of an outlier among few other careers in the level of pay. I expect being a farmhand would still be my second best choice in terms of pay opportunity. Of course, being the owner is more fun. The thrill of the gamble is like no other.
shyn3 3y ago
As the environment policies kick in many farmers won't agree so someone has to take over. Similar to what's happening in cities where companies can't find people as many people left, Toronto, so all your retail is immigrants. If someone grew up here 20 years ago and was making minimum wage they could buy a house, that same job doesn't even pay for a bachelor today, they have no incentive to stay. Some of the policies that are passing will reduce your profits significantly and someone from another country will be willing to work for less.

mrangle 3y ago

I'm sure that what you typed here is non-sequitur. Taxation is not government profit. If you have the ability to print unlimited IOUs for other people to exchange for goods and services, and you recapture a portion of what you distributed through taxation every time a transaction occurs, did you "profit"? No. You shrunk supply to raise the value of your IOUs. Taxation of domestically derived income is almost entirely a money supply mechanism. The government doesn't need to create more salaries to do this. They could simply encourage higher salaries (like tightening immigration), and if that wasn't enough they could raise taxes. They have other mechanisms of shrinking supply, as well. While tax money is also redistributed back to various government functions, governments commonly print non-tax money to fund their functions. Labor pool immigration, in the context of an abundant labor pool, is what it has always been: weakening of labor bargaining, undercutting of market salary, and a separate slew of political motivations. 100m by 2050 reads like incoming feudalism. Best of luck with it.

shyn3 3y ago
Taxes have to be increased slowly or people complain. So instead of increasing Federal taxes we increase the gas tax so you see it in the cost of your food. It's not so easy just to raise taxes. Raising salaries doesn't increase output, only gdp. Taxation was tongue in cheek, but moreso our strategy is tax the blood out of immigrants to keep the country going, as really when you first come here, you don't earn much.