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I don’t think it’s the same thing. The initial scene is a masterpiece but if you remove it, it would still be possible to understand the movie. And the tone and
by soneca 3y ago
I don’t think it’s the same thing. The initial scene is a masterpiece but if you remove it, it would still be possible to understand the movie. And the tone and message of the first scene is very different from the rest.
I compare (negatively) to “Saving Private Ryan” which also has a masterpiece of a first scene, that also can be removed without much loss to the main plot. The difference is that on SPR the first scene set the tone and message of the movie perfectly. And if you remove it, the rest of the movie is pretty great too. You can’t say those two things about “Up”.
- gwd 3y ago> I compare (negatively) to “Saving Private Ryan” I think the word you want here is "contrast"; i.e., "Contrast this to Saving Private Ryan, which..."
- soneca 3y agoIt might be. Thanks for pointing out
- aidenn0 3y agoPretty sure the usage of compare is correct here. Compare can point out but similarities and differences.
- gwd 3y agoYou're right that in plain English, "compare" is a perfectly adequate word in this context. However, the person I replied to wasn't quite satisfied with it: they felt the need to add "(negatively)". I was trying to give them a more idiomatic word / phrasing that would add the extra rhetorical emphasis they were looking for.
- soneca 3y agoAs the person that you replied, I confirm your perception. And I liked your suggestion (to be point I decided to explicitly thank you, rather than a simple upvote). If I were to write the same comment now, I would definitely use “contrast that to…”
- aidenn0 3y agoOh, I read the (negatively) as meaning that the way in which it was similar to Saving Private Ryan was a bad thing, not a good thing.
- soneca 3y agoI meant Up is similar to Saving Private Ryan in its structure (a long and great first scene, which is actually a positive trait of both). But, the Up is worse than SPR.
- rcme 3y agoEmbarrassingly, I haven’t seen Saving Private Ryan. But I think there are different types of media. Some are slow burners. Others are action packed.