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>From a passage of Virgil’s Aeneid, (book VII, v.128 sgg.) it is possible to understand the position of fruits and other products of the fields, on sacrificial
by mav88 3y ago
>From a passage of Virgil’s Aeneid, (book VII, v.128 sgg.) it is possible to understand the position of fruits and other products of the fields, on sacrificial breads that function as “tables”. This reminds us of the moment in which the Trojan heroes who had finished their meal of fruits, chose to eat the bread which they had used as containers (tables). This showed the realisation of the Virgilian Epos, where a prophecy had stated that the Trojans would find a new homeland when they “arrived on unknown beaches, finished all the food,” and their hunger made them “devour also the tables”.
Once upon a time, I did the Aeneid in the original and we came across this meaning of the word 'mensa' as a bread base which was weird because it was the very first Latin word we had all learned: table. And then immediately afterwards in the text one of the warriors makes the joke that they're so hungry they're eating their tables as well. It still blows my mind that I could understand a pun written thousands of years ago and find it amusing.
- h2odragon 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trencher_(tableware) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trencher_(tableware)
- _u2yk 3y ago> the position of fruits and other products of the fields, on sacrificial breads So you're saying pineapple is in fact a pizza topping!
- slim 3y agotomato is a fruit
- corvuscorvid 3y ago...and ketchup is a jam
- yeahwhatever10 3y agoKetchup is my jam.
- bee_rider 3y agoIf we are to accept the madness of treating tomato as a fruit culinarily (although, your comment makes a strong argument for not doing so), would it be a jam, jelly, or…?
- lo_zamoyski 3y agoHow many jams, jellies, marmalades, or confitures do you know of that contain vinegar, savory spices, and salt? In a recipe calling for jam, would you replace it with ketchup?
- boulos 3y agoThere are several chutneys that include vinegar. They aren't in the same category as you listed, but the parent included an ellipsis, which I'll include chutney under.
- WorldMaker 3y agoSome "fruit preserves" also use vinegars and other acids. Which leads to the Venn diagrams of the definitions of pickles, chutneys, and preserves (fruit) all have a massive overlap and ketchup is right there in the middle as pickled tomatoes, tomato chutney, or tomato preserve depending on how much you want to classify it is a fruit, vegetable, or "it doesn't matter". (I would at least argue that "preserve" is the more accurate fruit term over jam or jelly.)
- nameless_prole 3y ago[dead]
- fsckboy 3y ago>In a recipe calling for jam, would you replace it with ketchup? if the recipe was for French fries and jam: yes.
- jalk 3y agoTomatoes comes from South America so couldn’t have been on the Pompeii pizza
- karaterobot 3y agoI think they were saying that the argument "fruit doesn't belong on pizza, thus pineapples don't belong on pizza" is invalid because most people agree that tomatoes go on pizza, and tomatoes are biologically fruits.
- Mystery-Machine 3y ago[flagged]
- Mystery-Machine 3y agoThe very first sentence: Whilst it looks like a pizza, this image from a Pompeian painting from 2000 years ago obviously can't be, since some of the most characteristic ingredients are missing, namely tomatoes and mozzarella.
- dangerboysteve 3y agowell, that's just crazy talk.
- datavirtue 3y agoIt's not a pizza. Period.
- twoodfin 3y agoThis reminds me of modern Ethiopian dining with injera.