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Still, having speech censored at the company level is at least one step more decentralised than a government with the police and an army behind it. It’s also m

by zpeti 3y ago

Still, having speech censored at the company level is at least one step more decentralised than a government with the police and an army behind it. It’s also much easier to change job than change country.

johannes1234321 3y ago
For country leadership there are still elections, while flawed, in the U.S. Over Google the people don't have much of a say. (The country can create legislation to steer it in a direction etc.) And then internationally ...
- zpeti 3y ago
  People underestimate how responsive companies are to feedback, especially from customers, much much more responsive than governments. And again, you can switch jobs much easier than countries. The entire current censorship issues are because of a small group of very organised people who want to enforce their worldview on the world. It's not views held by the majority, but companies still comply as they'd rather do that than fight. But have a look at what happened to Bud light, they are in serious trouble because of one advertising deal. They changed their tune extremely quickly. This doesn't really happen with governments.
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    Bud Light is not in “serious trouble”. They are a brand owned by a multinational beverage conglomerate. But that’s beside the point. Whether or not these corporations are pro or anti LGBT depends on which way the wind is blowing today. It’s not fundamental to their business, so they don’t deeply care about your opinions on the matter. Try talking about something more fundamental, like labor rights, and you’ll quickly see the difference.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
I’m more worried about not being able to go to the doctor for having the wrong opinions than the US military pulling up to my driveway in a tank.
- zpeti 3y ago
  Oh come on, that’s just silly. There’s such a labour shortage anyone with a job can almost certainly get another one pretty quickly. And the more skilled you are the more likely.
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    This assumes you aren’t blacklisted for speaking about something unthinkable like forming a union.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  The counter argument to this is that the First Amendment is the reason you’re not afraid of the police knocking in the middle of the night over something you said. The law and 250 years of jurisprudence made it so. Having your healthcare removed as a result of your publicly stated opinions is just one of many other possible negative outcomes that has not been prevented in America. I might go so far as to say that the US doesn’t have free speech so much as decriminalized speech. (It’s not a perfect analogy in the sense that losing your job and healthcare isn’t identical to a fine, but it fits in reflecting the fact that prison isn’t the only punishment one can receive. Plus there are people financially situated such that the financial penalties of unpopular speech are immaterial. I’ll work on it.)

by zpeti 3y ago

johannes1234321 3y ago

For country leadership there are still elections, while flawed, in the U.S. Over Google the people don't have much of a say. (The country can create legislation to steer it in a direction etc.) And then internationally ...

zpeti 3y ago
People underestimate how responsive companies are to feedback, especially from customers, much much more responsive than governments. And again, you can switch jobs much easier than countries. The entire current censorship issues are because of a small group of very organised people who want to enforce their worldview on the world. It's not views held by the majority, but companies still comply as they'd rather do that than fight. But have a look at what happened to Bud light, they are in serious trouble because of one advertising deal. They changed their tune extremely quickly. This doesn't really happen with governments.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Bud Light is not in “serious trouble”. They are a brand owned by a multinational beverage conglomerate. But that’s beside the point. Whether or not these corporations are pro or anti LGBT depends on which way the wind is blowing today. It’s not fundamental to their business, so they don’t deeply care about your opinions on the matter. Try talking about something more fundamental, like labor rights, and you’ll quickly see the difference.

bugglebeetle 3y ago

I’m more worried about not being able to go to the doctor for having the wrong opinions than the US military pulling up to my driveway in a tank.

zpeti 3y ago
Oh come on, that’s just silly. There’s such a labour shortage anyone with a job can almost certainly get another one pretty quickly. And the more skilled you are the more likely.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  This assumes you aren’t blacklisted for speaking about something unthinkable like forming a union.
janalsncm 3y ago
The counter argument to this is that the First Amendment is the reason you’re not afraid of the police knocking in the middle of the night over something you said. The law and 250 years of jurisprudence made it so. Having your healthcare removed as a result of your publicly stated opinions is just one of many other possible negative outcomes that has not been prevented in America. I might go so far as to say that the US doesn’t have free speech so much as decriminalized speech. (It’s not a perfect analogy in the sense that losing your job and healthcare isn’t identical to a fine, but it fits in reflecting the fact that prison isn’t the only punishment one can receive. Plus there are people financially situated such that the financial penalties of unpopular speech are immaterial. I’ll work on it.)