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At least among the Emacs-using Common Lisp users I've known (and discussed the topic with), Paredit is considered a clear win. Same in my experience. What do yo

At least among the Emacs-using Common Lisp users I've known (and discussed the topic with), Paredit is considered a clear win. Same in my experience. What do you use? If there's something better, I'd be happy to use it. (When I last observed someone editing Common Lisp code without turning on Paredit, it was rather depressing, how much time he spent closing parens and re-indenting everything. But maybe you use something else which avoids this problem?) Reader macros (in the worst-case scenario you describe) are a very rare use-case, and therefore probably not worth optimizing an IDE for. Perhaps for you they're common, but I'm virtually certain that most Common Lisp users have never written even one. If macros are already uncommon to write, reader macros have a far higher bar of justification.

sedachv 15y ago
I started using Paredit in 2010, and wrote Lisp in Emacs for 7 years before that. Paredit make some things very convenient, but I can't say it has sped up my programming significantly. It has made it a lot more convenient for me to use the REPL, which has changed my programming style. Two things that save time when indenting code and work in all Emacs programming modes: 1. (global-set-key (kbd "RET") 'newline-and-indent) in .emacs to automatically indent every newline (also points out problems in your syntax right away) 2. C-Space to start region selection, C-M-b or C-M-f to jump back/forward a code block (s-exp), then C-M-\ to reindent region. The other thing I use is my https://github.com/vsedach/mouse-copy https://github.com/vsedach/mouse-copy mode for "structured" copy and paste. It's convenient sometimes. I use reader macros a lot more than Common Lisp programmers do now, and I encourage people to use them and think that reader macro usage will become more widespread, in particular due to Tobias Rittweiler's named-readtables library (http://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/ http://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/). In particular, I use cl-interpol (http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/ http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/) both for string interpolation and to do HTML templating (http://paste.lisp.org/display/118522 http://paste.lisp.org/display/118522). I also wrote a uri-temple library for Common Lisp (http://common-lisp.net/project/uri-template/ http://common-lisp.net/project/uri-template/). When I used CL-SQL, I used its reader macro syntax, and I thought it was worthwhile, but could have been better designed.

sedachv 15y ago

I started using Paredit in 2010, and wrote Lisp in Emacs for 7 years before that. Paredit make some things very convenient, but I can't say it has sped up my programming significantly. It has made it a lot more convenient for me to use the REPL, which has changed my programming style. Two things that save time when indenting code and work in all Emacs programming modes: 1. (global-set-key (kbd "RET") 'newline-and-indent) in .emacs to automatically indent every newline (also points out problems in your syntax right away) 2. C-Space to start region selection, C-M-b or C-M-f to jump back/forward a code block (s-exp), then C-M-\ to reindent region. The other thing I use is my https://github.com/vsedach/mouse-copy https://github.com/vsedach/mouse-copy mode for "structured" copy and paste. It's convenient sometimes. I use reader macros a lot more than Common Lisp programmers do now, and I encourage people to use them and think that reader macro usage will become more widespread, in particular due to Tobias Rittweiler's named-readtables library (http://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/ http://common-lisp.net/project/named-readtables/). In particular, I use cl-interpol (http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/ http://weitz.de/cl-interpol/) both for string interpolation and to do HTML templating (http://paste.lisp.org/display/118522 http://paste.lisp.org/display/118522). I also wrote a uri-temple library for Common Lisp (http://common-lisp.net/project/uri-template/ http://common-lisp.net/project/uri-template/). When I used CL-SQL, I used its reader macro syntax, and I thought it was worthwhile, but could have been better designed.