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I guess not for drinking. OP is planting trees, so assumably has land where some kind of forestry/agriculture is in being carried out. That needs quite some wat

I guess not for drinking. OP is planting trees, so assumably has land where some kind of forestry/agriculture is in being carried out. That needs quite some water. (eg. freshly planted trees need irrigation to have a fair chance of survival) Also washing, showering can be done with rainwater if you are really a minimalist.

aziaziazi 3y ago
Or at least car/patio washing if you’re almost really a minimalist.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  You shouldn't be washing your car in the driveway. Even if you use environmentally friendly soap, or no soap, the water coming of the car isn't exactly clean. Professional car wash places are required (depending on location) to collect and dispose of their waste water in a safe way. When you wash the car in the driveway, the waste water will either go into the ground or the storm drains, neither of which will ensure that the waster is cleaned before reentering the environment.
  - yetihehe 3y ago
    I solved this problem in minimalist way - I wash my car maybe twice a year. It sits in my driveway in rain anyway because my garage is waiting for some spare time so that I can finally reuse all that pallets I collected since last year (mostly clean pallets I've already made some nice yard furniture for myself and family, all those pallets already have planned use but I don't have enough time).
    - lukas099 3y ago
      They said "Even if you use environmentally friendly soap, or no soap, the water coming of the car isn't exactly clean." If the rain is falling on your car it will have the same issue, no?
      - literalAardvark 3y ago
        Not really something you can reasonably address.
        lukas099 3y ago
        I disagree, you can address it by keeping your car cleaned regularly at a car washing business that filters and recycles wash water.
        yetihehe 3y ago
        Meh, there's a big gap in your problem/solution - driving in rain.
        lukas099 3y ago
        If you're cleaning it regularly then the rain won't wash off very many pollutants.
    - fullstop 3y ago
      Pallets are often treated with chemicals, so keep that in mind.
      - yetihehe 3y ago
        That's why I wrote that they are clean, I keep that in mind, but thanks for noticing.
        fullstop 3y ago
        You said "mostly clean" and I assumed that this was about dirt and debris, and the stuff they're treated with is not visible. There is a stamp on the side which shows how they have been treated, though.
      - kwhitefoot 3y ago
        True but it's very much not all pallets. EUR pallets are mostly heat treated. Some are methyl bromide fumigated but that is banned in Germany.
    - hgomersall 3y ago
      Twice a year! How decadent!
    - namaria 3y ago
      If you have a whole half ton of energy guzzling metal machine just to move you around town, are you minimalist?
      - yetihehe 3y ago
        For moving around town i just walk, maybe sometimes I use my 20yr old bike. My car is used only to travel from my town to nearest city, because it takes 3x more time to go with bus->train->taxi to where I need to go and is a little more expensive. Then it sits idle 5 days. It's more like 1.2tons and is not that guzzling, 7L/100km. Diesel or hybrid would be guzzling even less, but they break more and/or are more expensive. I'm not a eco freak, I do what I can, but some people really do need to own some transport. In Poland, if I see someone with a big pickup, it typically means he actually DO uses it to pick up various things otherwise it would be too inconvenient to own such a big car.
  - milkytron 3y ago
    Yup, I worked at a car wash and the water coming off of cars is absolutely disgusting. Had to wear some sort of hazmat type suit to clean the trench as we called it.
- sfpotter 3y ago
  If you’re really a minimalist, you don’t own a car
  - JeremyNT 3y ago
    And if you're only kind of a minimalist, who does own a car, you don't wash it.
    - radlad 3y ago
      I don't know... wouldn't a minimalist want to prolong the lifetime of their fewer possessions?
      - sfpotter 3y ago
        Do clean cars last longer than dirty cars?
        radlad 3y ago
        In the Midwest, absolutely. Dirty cars lose paint and rust.
  - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
    outside of nyc, this is going to have a major impact on quality of life. don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
    - namaria 3y ago
      We're gonna preserve our quality of life one exception at a time all the way to societal collapse, it seems. How much quality of life can we have when billions are on the move due to heat dead zones, collapsing one government after another?

aziaziazi 3y ago

Or at least car/patio washing if you’re almost really a minimalist.

mrweasel 3y ago
You shouldn't be washing your car in the driveway. Even if you use environmentally friendly soap, or no soap, the water coming of the car isn't exactly clean. Professional car wash places are required (depending on location) to collect and dispose of their waste water in a safe way. When you wash the car in the driveway, the waste water will either go into the ground or the storm drains, neither of which will ensure that the waster is cleaned before reentering the environment.
- yetihehe 3y ago
  I solved this problem in minimalist way - I wash my car maybe twice a year. It sits in my driveway in rain anyway because my garage is waiting for some spare time so that I can finally reuse all that pallets I collected since last year (mostly clean pallets I've already made some nice yard furniture for myself and family, all those pallets already have planned use but I don't have enough time).
  - lukas099 3y ago
    They said "Even if you use environmentally friendly soap, or no soap, the water coming of the car isn't exactly clean." If the rain is falling on your car it will have the same issue, no?
    - literalAardvark 3y ago
      Not really something you can reasonably address.
      - lukas099 3y ago
        I disagree, you can address it by keeping your car cleaned regularly at a car washing business that filters and recycles wash water.
        yetihehe 3y ago
        Meh, there's a big gap in your problem/solution - driving in rain.
        lukas099 3y ago
        If you're cleaning it regularly then the rain won't wash off very many pollutants.
  - fullstop 3y ago
    Pallets are often treated with chemicals, so keep that in mind.
    - yetihehe 3y ago
      That's why I wrote that they are clean, I keep that in mind, but thanks for noticing.
      - fullstop 3y ago
        You said "mostly clean" and I assumed that this was about dirt and debris, and the stuff they're treated with is not visible. There is a stamp on the side which shows how they have been treated, though.
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      True but it's very much not all pallets. EUR pallets are mostly heat treated. Some are methyl bromide fumigated but that is banned in Germany.
  - hgomersall 3y ago
    Twice a year! How decadent!
  - namaria 3y ago
    If you have a whole half ton of energy guzzling metal machine just to move you around town, are you minimalist?
    - yetihehe 3y ago
      For moving around town i just walk, maybe sometimes I use my 20yr old bike. My car is used only to travel from my town to nearest city, because it takes 3x more time to go with bus->train->taxi to where I need to go and is a little more expensive. Then it sits idle 5 days. It's more like 1.2tons and is not that guzzling, 7L/100km. Diesel or hybrid would be guzzling even less, but they break more and/or are more expensive. I'm not a eco freak, I do what I can, but some people really do need to own some transport. In Poland, if I see someone with a big pickup, it typically means he actually DO uses it to pick up various things otherwise it would be too inconvenient to own such a big car.
- milkytron 3y ago
  Yup, I worked at a car wash and the water coming off of cars is absolutely disgusting. Had to wear some sort of hazmat type suit to clean the trench as we called it.
sfpotter 3y ago
If you’re really a minimalist, you don’t own a car
- JeremyNT 3y ago
  And if you're only kind of a minimalist, who does own a car, you don't wash it.
  - radlad 3y ago
    I don't know... wouldn't a minimalist want to prolong the lifetime of their fewer possessions?
    - sfpotter 3y ago
      Do clean cars last longer than dirty cars?
      - radlad 3y ago
        In the Midwest, absolutely. Dirty cars lose paint and rust.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  outside of nyc, this is going to have a major impact on quality of life. don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
  - namaria 3y ago
    We're gonna preserve our quality of life one exception at a time all the way to societal collapse, it seems. How much quality of life can we have when billions are on the move due to heat dead zones, collapsing one government after another?