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Yes as I said, there are more pizza's than the now common Tomato and mozzarella combination we have today, Especially in Italy.

cubefox 3y ago
Does something count as a Pizza when it doesn't even have tomato sauce?
- Symbiote 3y ago
  It has to, since tomatoes were not discovered by Europeans until the 16th century. Nowadays you can ask for white pizza.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    There is no rule saying "Pizza" has to have existed before the 16th century...
- gostsamo 3y ago
  yes, you can do cuatro formagi or other white pizzas and they are pretty good.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    Okay, then it seems to be less the toppings than the "recipe ancestry" that determines what counts as Pizza. Otherwise flammkuchen would also count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammekueche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammekueche
    - timeon 3y ago
      > "recipe ancestry" I think it is mostly about language. Pizza is loan word from Italian in German language in this case. So you may also say it other way around: Pizza counts as flammkuchen.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        But it doesn't! I haven't heard anyone label one as a type of the other.
        mr_mitm 3y ago
        Yes, besides the toppings, for which there is no rule (there is pizza bianca without tomato, and there is pizza marina without cheese), I believe everybody agrees that pizza dough needs to be made with yeast or sourdough. Flammkuchen dough has neither.
  - alberto_ol 3y ago
    Italian ortography is not as bad as the english one, but nonetheless is sometimes illogical. We have a useless lettere 'q' which is pronounced like the the hard c. 'Q' is used only before 'u'. So there some words that are written with "qu" and other with "cu" only for etymologyical reasons. The number 4 is spelled 'quattro'. The pizza with the four cheeses is 'quattro formaggi'.
    - jaclaz 3y ago
      To be picky, the general rule is that q goes before u only if u is followed by another vowel (qui, quo, qua), c is used in the other cases, but - of course - there are a few exceptions, the most common being "cui".
- timeon 3y ago
  Depends on ingredients but some do not go well with tomato sauce. For example pineapple[0] + blue cheese would be better on white base or no sauce at all than on tomato one. [0] Read it as pear or fig if you are Italian.
- bjohnson225 3y ago
  Why wouldn’t it? At least a third of the menu in most pizzeria’s in Italy will be white pizza with no tomato sauce.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    Oh, that surprises me.
- tpm 3y ago
  Pizza bianca, white pizza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pizza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pizza There is also a relatively new series of Chef's Table: Pizza if you want to see some uncommon pizzas in a beautiful documentary.
- bunga-bunga 3y ago
  Commonly speaking you need either tomato sauce or mozzarella to call it a pizza. Without either one, it would be called “pizza pane” but that’s basically flatbread and to be eaten as bread. Pretty rare to find a “pizza” without some sort of sauce to make it wet.

cubefox 3y ago

Does something count as a Pizza when it doesn't even have tomato sauce?

Symbiote 3y ago
It has to, since tomatoes were not discovered by Europeans until the 16th century. Nowadays you can ask for white pizza.
- cubefox 3y ago
  There is no rule saying "Pizza" has to have existed before the 16th century...
gostsamo 3y ago
yes, you can do cuatro formagi or other white pizzas and they are pretty good.
- cubefox 3y ago
  Okay, then it seems to be less the toppings than the "recipe ancestry" that determines what counts as Pizza. Otherwise flammkuchen would also count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammekueche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammekueche
  - timeon 3y ago
    > "recipe ancestry" I think it is mostly about language. Pizza is loan word from Italian in German language in this case. So you may also say it other way around: Pizza counts as flammkuchen.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      But it doesn't! I haven't heard anyone label one as a type of the other.
      - mr_mitm 3y ago
        Yes, besides the toppings, for which there is no rule (there is pizza bianca without tomato, and there is pizza marina without cheese), I believe everybody agrees that pizza dough needs to be made with yeast or sourdough. Flammkuchen dough has neither.
- alberto_ol 3y ago
  Italian ortography is not as bad as the english one, but nonetheless is sometimes illogical. We have a useless lettere 'q' which is pronounced like the the hard c. 'Q' is used only before 'u'. So there some words that are written with "qu" and other with "cu" only for etymologyical reasons. The number 4 is spelled 'quattro'. The pizza with the four cheeses is 'quattro formaggi'.
  - jaclaz 3y ago
    To be picky, the general rule is that q goes before u only if u is followed by another vowel (qui, quo, qua), c is used in the other cases, but - of course - there are a few exceptions, the most common being "cui".
timeon 3y ago
Depends on ingredients but some do not go well with tomato sauce. For example pineapple[0] + blue cheese would be better on white base or no sauce at all than on tomato one. [0] Read it as pear or fig if you are Italian.
bjohnson225 3y ago
Why wouldn’t it? At least a third of the menu in most pizzeria’s in Italy will be white pizza with no tomato sauce.
- cubefox 3y ago
  Oh, that surprises me.
tpm 3y ago
Pizza bianca, white pizza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pizza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pizza There is also a relatively new series of Chef's Table: Pizza if you want to see some uncommon pizzas in a beautiful documentary.
bunga-bunga 3y ago
Commonly speaking you need either tomato sauce or mozzarella to call it a pizza. Without either one, it would be called “pizza pane” but that’s basically flatbread and to be eaten as bread. Pretty rare to find a “pizza” without some sort of sauce to make it wet.