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I reject this notion based on close to 20 years of consistent observation of and participation in the web development industry. In that time I can count on one

I reject this notion based on close to 20 years of consistent observation of and participation in the web development industry. In that time I can count on one finger the number of times I've seen credible AB tests even attempted, and even then the initiative was abandoned because none of the client's staff were interested in interpreting the results of their testing. All of that is to say in nearly two decades of building websites I've never even heard of a client attempting to make results-oriented decisions based on actual data about how their website looked or performed. 100% of the drivers of obnoxious website behavior that I have personally witnessed have been overeager marketing department heads and designers refusing to come to terms with the limitations of the medium.

ben0x539 3y ago
That's honestly great to hear. I've not been super convinced of the way I've seen AB tests used to justify decisions but I figured it's just me not liking the results, and that the prevalence of shitty websites means that the businesses with good websites are just not competitive and disappear.
Tade0 3y ago
My tentative conclusion is that these people know something about human nature that we don't. I have a friend who runs a small e-commerce business and is largely non-technical. I've found that I couldn't ever do the same because I don't think like he does. Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence. Case in point: to him an e-book reader is just an appliance, like a dishwasher, which performs a specific function. He doesn't care that he can't upload whatever file to the device because he would never use that feature.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence." That is obvious. Otherwise we would not have glued in batteries, spyware everywhere as part of mainstream OS and ads in the start menue. But to me a e-book reader is also just an appliance, that should perform one specific function. Displaying books. But I simply happen to know what a file format is, so I know that there is no reason to limit that, so they can try to lock me in to their store.
  - TheCoelacanth 3y ago
    Exactly. An ebook reader is an appliance. I view an ebook reader telling me I can't read a format of books the same as if a dishwasher told me I couldn't wash a certain brand of plates. Completely unacceptable.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - n6h6 3y ago
      or, more realistically, allowing only one brand of detergent. oh wait, printers already do that (with ink, not detergent)
  - forgetfreeman 3y ago
    Perversely, and without exception, all of those anti-features you mentioned were implemented the kinds of individuals that find them offensive and refuse to engage with them where possible. I feel like this says something about the state of personal integrity either in industry or society writ large.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence. More likely is that the average person feels powerless in the face of technology and doesn't know how to change things or doesn't even fully understand the issues.
- codingcodingboy 3y ago
  Try to substitute "grumpy" with "informed".
gizmo 3y ago
The success of this website which has rejected all "best practices" for more than a decade should tell you something. No profiles. No awards. No visible karma (anymore). No post footers. No popups. No ajax. No images. No colors. Only italic and pre for markup, and italic arguably is superfluous.
- inconceivable 3y ago
  buddy, this website doesn't make money and is funded by a billionaire VC.
  - gizmo 3y ago
    This site makes an unbelievable amount of money because it helps YC startups attract talent, it promotes YC companies, and most of all, it encourages founders to apply to YC.
    - inconceivable 3y ago
      nah, it doesn't make any money.
      - codingcodingboy 3y ago
        It still provides value
        JohnFen 3y ago
        Which is different than making money. I think that none of the top 10 most valuable (to me) websites generate any sort of direct revenue (many, not even indirect) to their owners. But they're immensely valuable.
      - gizmo 3y ago
        Okay it doesn’t make money if you believe ads don’t make money. Because this place is a giant ad for YC.

ben0x539 3y ago

That's honestly great to hear. I've not been super convinced of the way I've seen AB tests used to justify decisions but I figured it's just me not liking the results, and that the prevalence of shitty websites means that the businesses with good websites are just not competitive and disappear.

Tade0 3y ago

My tentative conclusion is that these people know something about human nature that we don't. I have a friend who runs a small e-commerce business and is largely non-technical. I've found that I couldn't ever do the same because I don't think like he does. Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence. Case in point: to him an e-book reader is just an appliance, like a dishwasher, which performs a specific function. He doesn't care that he can't upload whatever file to the device because he would never use that feature.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence." That is obvious. Otherwise we would not have glued in batteries, spyware everywhere as part of mainstream OS and ads in the start menue. But to me a e-book reader is also just an appliance, that should perform one specific function. Displaying books. But I simply happen to know what a file format is, so I know that there is no reason to limit that, so they can try to lock me in to their store.
- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  Exactly. An ebook reader is an appliance. I view an ebook reader telling me I can't read a format of books the same as if a dishwasher told me I couldn't wash a certain brand of plates. Completely unacceptable.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - n6h6 3y ago
    or, more realistically, allowing only one brand of detergent. oh wait, printers already do that (with ink, not detergent)
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  Perversely, and without exception, all of those anti-features you mentioned were implemented the kinds of individuals that find them offensive and refuse to engage with them where possible. I feel like this says something about the state of personal integrity either in industry or society writ large.
lapcat 3y ago
> Apparently the average person is way less grumpy than I am about things like right to repair or planned obsolescence. More likely is that the average person feels powerless in the face of technology and doesn't know how to change things or doesn't even fully understand the issues.
codingcodingboy 3y ago
Try to substitute "grumpy" with "informed".

gizmo 3y ago

The success of this website which has rejected all "best practices" for more than a decade should tell you something. No profiles. No awards. No visible karma (anymore). No post footers. No popups. No ajax. No images. No colors. Only italic and pre for markup, and italic arguably is superfluous.

inconceivable 3y ago
buddy, this website doesn't make money and is funded by a billionaire VC.
- gizmo 3y ago
  This site makes an unbelievable amount of money because it helps YC startups attract talent, it promotes YC companies, and most of all, it encourages founders to apply to YC.
  - inconceivable 3y ago
    nah, it doesn't make any money.
    - codingcodingboy 3y ago
      It still provides value
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        Which is different than making money. I think that none of the top 10 most valuable (to me) websites generate any sort of direct revenue (many, not even indirect) to their owners. But they're immensely valuable.
    - gizmo 3y ago
      Okay it doesn’t make money if you believe ads don’t make money. Because this place is a giant ad for YC.