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In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. Consider the pizza di Pasqua (dough with liquor, chocolate, cheese, +20cm tal

In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. Consider the pizza di Pasqua (dough with liquor, chocolate, cheese, +20cm tall), pizza alla pala (1.5m long), pizza sbattuta (sponge cake), pizza in teglia (rectangular and cut in square slices), and many more. Could be related to pita, and I would not argue every culture on earth made flat round dough and put stuff on it, but it's a very large family. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_di_Pasqua https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_di_Pasqua https://www.tasteatlas.com/pizza-alla-pala https://www.tasteatlas.com/pizza-alla-pala https://blog.giallozafferano.it/inventaricette/pizza-sbattuta-romana-di-pasqua/ https://blog.giallozafferano.it/inventaricette/pizza-sbattut...

leipert 3y ago
Etymology wise it’s a thing and loads of cultures around the Mediterranean have some similar words: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/πίτα#Ancient_Greek https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/πίτα#Ancient_Greek
pizza234 3y ago
> In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. True, although the canonical/widespread pizza is the round/flat one. I've never heard of "Pizza di Pasqua" and "Pizza sbattuta" in Italy (I don't doubt they exist, but they must be very uncommon). Pizza in teglia is common, at least in certain parts of Italy; I believe it's generally sold in bakeries rather than in pizzerias (restaurants). Pizza alla pala is not so common in Italy, at least in restaurants (not that I remember). In other countries is very common in takeaways. There's also a type of pizza that is round but thick, and with lower-quality toppings. I can't find any reference to it; it's somewhat widespread over Italy, but considered a "lesser pizza" :)
- asimpletune 3y ago
  I just want to add this because i think it’s interesting, but the word pasqua (Easter) actually comes from Passover. Also Passover in Italian is Pasqua ebraica.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    >Passover in Italian is Pasqua ebraica Funny, in Romanian, Pasqua(spelled Pasca) is a sweet bread Easter dish.
- OJFord 3y ago
  Pizza inferiore that you allude to without reference - this is the one often often found entombed in a cardboard box?
  - quickthrower2 3y ago
    And delivered in 30 minutes or your next one is free?
  - detourdog 3y ago
    In Berkshire County Massachusetts
- __void 3y ago
  > There's also a type of pizza that is round but thick, do you mean 'pizzetta'?
  - pizza234 3y ago
    This is an example: https://imgur.com/a/PQlxEXc https://imgur.com/a/PQlxEXc (not sure why Imgur tags it as mature). I've found this type of pizza both in the north and in the south. The overall quality is consideraly lower, starting from the cheese, which is not mozzarella (I believe they use provola, which is cheaper).
    - __void 3y ago
      oh god... that dough looks more like frozen pizza, apart from in some tourist traps I have never seen it served seriously in my area
- deleted 3y ago
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- pvdoom 3y ago
  If you look at historical sources, what is called pizza, in i.e. Scampi's "Opera Nova" is more of a pie, that may be open or closed, sweet or savoury, and may not even have flour dough, but say almond flour
hanslub42 3y ago
I have in front of me a reprint of Pellegrino Artusi's famous "la Scienza in cucina e l'arte di mangiar bene" (1891). It has a recipe for "Pizza alla napoletana" (recipe #609) which is a shortcrust filled with a cream of "ricotta, sweet almonds, sugar, lemon peel or vanilla, milk", about which he comments "... a me sembra che questo riesca un dolce di gusto squisito" - a dessert of exquisite taste. He mentions two other pizze: "Pizza a libretti" and "Pizza gravida", both of them sweet. "Our" pizza is completely absent. It is intriguing that the above 19th century "pizza" recipe is called alla napoletana given that Wikipedia states that "... modern pizza evolved from similar flatbread dishes in Naples, Italy, in the 18th or early 19th century."
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Dessert pizza. The past truly is a foreign country. Although I guess fry dough is basically dessert pizza if you think about it.
carlob 3y ago
I know there are several versions of Pizza di Pasqua, but the one I'm more familiar with (and the one you link to) is made with cheese and is to be eaten on Easter breakfast with salami.
- riffraff 3y ago
  the one from my home town (Cerveteri, RM) is generally _mildly_ sweet with no cheese but eaten the same way on the same occasion :) But in some families/bakeries it is done with Strega liquor or Alchermes liquor[0], and it's also good. It's only the one with chocolate bits[1], which I find heretical since you can't eat it with salty stuff :D [0] like this https://blog.giallozafferano.it/dolcissimamentez/pizza-di-pasqua-dolce-con-alchermes-ricetta/ https://blog.giallozafferano.it/dolcissimamentez/pizza-di-pa... [1] https://www.ricettedellanonna.net/pizza-di-pasqua/ https://www.ricettedellanonna.net/pizza-di-pasqua/
pb060 3y ago
> In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. In certain regions of Southern Italy, the word 'pizza' also refers to a part of the male anatomy which is not flat. Edit: feels good to be downvoted by people with socially acceptable sense of humor
- adql 3y ago
  Is "I will put my pizza in your oven" also a joke there ?

leipert 3y ago

Etymology wise it’s a thing and loads of cultures around the Mediterranean have some similar words: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/πίτα#Ancient_Greek https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/πίτα#Ancient_Greek

pizza234 3y ago

> In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. True, although the canonical/widespread pizza is the round/flat one. I've never heard of "Pizza di Pasqua" and "Pizza sbattuta" in Italy (I don't doubt they exist, but they must be very uncommon). Pizza in teglia is common, at least in certain parts of Italy; I believe it's generally sold in bakeries rather than in pizzerias (restaurants). Pizza alla pala is not so common in Italy, at least in restaurants (not that I remember). In other countries is very common in takeaways. There's also a type of pizza that is round but thick, and with lower-quality toppings. I can't find any reference to it; it's somewhat widespread over Italy, but considered a "lesser pizza" :)

asimpletune 3y ago
I just want to add this because i think it’s interesting, but the word pasqua (Easter) actually comes from Passover. Also Passover in Italian is Pasqua ebraica.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >Passover in Italian is Pasqua ebraica Funny, in Romanian, Pasqua(spelled Pasca) is a sweet bread Easter dish.
OJFord 3y ago
Pizza inferiore that you allude to without reference - this is the one often often found entombed in a cardboard box?
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  And delivered in 30 minutes or your next one is free?
- detourdog 3y ago
  In Berkshire County Massachusetts
__void 3y ago
> There's also a type of pizza that is round but thick, do you mean 'pizzetta'?
- pizza234 3y ago
  This is an example: https://imgur.com/a/PQlxEXc https://imgur.com/a/PQlxEXc (not sure why Imgur tags it as mature). I've found this type of pizza both in the north and in the south. The overall quality is consideraly lower, starting from the cheese, which is not mozzarella (I believe they use provola, which is cheaper).
  - __void 3y ago
    oh god... that dough looks more like frozen pizza, apart from in some tourist traps I have never seen it served seriously in my area
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pvdoom 3y ago
If you look at historical sources, what is called pizza, in i.e. Scampi's "Opera Nova" is more of a pie, that may be open or closed, sweet or savoury, and may not even have flour dough, but say almond flour

hanslub42 3y ago

I have in front of me a reprint of Pellegrino Artusi's famous "la Scienza in cucina e l'arte di mangiar bene" (1891). It has a recipe for "Pizza alla napoletana" (recipe #609) which is a shortcrust filled with a cream of "ricotta, sweet almonds, sugar, lemon peel or vanilla, milk", about which he comments "... a me sembra che questo riesca un dolce di gusto squisito" - a dessert of exquisite taste. He mentions two other pizze: "Pizza a libretti" and "Pizza gravida", both of them sweet. "Our" pizza is completely absent. It is intriguing that the above 19th century "pizza" recipe is called alla napoletana given that Wikipedia states that "... modern pizza evolved from similar flatbread dishes in Naples, Italy, in the 18th or early 19th century."

bee_rider 3y ago
Dessert pizza. The past truly is a foreign country. Although I guess fry dough is basically dessert pizza if you think about it.

carlob 3y ago

I know there are several versions of Pizza di Pasqua, but the one I'm more familiar with (and the one you link to) is made with cheese and is to be eaten on Easter breakfast with salami.

riffraff 3y ago
the one from my home town (Cerveteri, RM) is generally _mildly_ sweet with no cheese but eaten the same way on the same occasion :) But in some families/bakeries it is done with Strega liquor or Alchermes liquor[0], and it's also good. It's only the one with chocolate bits[1], which I find heretical since you can't eat it with salty stuff :D [0] like this https://blog.giallozafferano.it/dolcissimamentez/pizza-di-pasqua-dolce-con-alchermes-ricetta/ https://blog.giallozafferano.it/dolcissimamentez/pizza-di-pa... [1] https://www.ricettedellanonna.net/pizza-di-pasqua/ https://www.ricettedellanonna.net/pizza-di-pasqua/

pb060 3y ago

> In Italy there's a bunch of things called "pizza" which are not round flat bread. In certain regions of Southern Italy, the word 'pizza' also refers to a part of the male anatomy which is not flat. Edit: feels good to be downvoted by people with socially acceptable sense of humor

adql 3y ago
Is "I will put my pizza in your oven" also a joke there ?