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Tell HN: GPT-4 on chat.openai.com is worse than GPT-4 on third-party websites

5 points by behnamoh 3y ago

I've been using phind, poe, etc. which use GPT-4 API and the difference between the original GPT-4 results and OpenAI's nerfed web interface is HUGE! I don't know what OpenAI did to their website but they basically made it dumb enough that I stopped my ChatGPT Pro subscription and started using third party websites. I would gladly pay the subscription fee if OpenAI wouldn't neuter GPT-4 on their website. I'd even pay more to get access to a more powerful and less restricted GPT-4, but I know that'll never happen due to legal reasons. Edit: I think phind.com switched to ChatGPT-4 Pro. They used to use GPT-4 API but after the switch, there's a noticeable degradation in quality of responses. :(

themodelplumber 3y ago
That's very interesting, thanks for sharing your experience. Do you find the third-party subscriptions worth it, or are you saying that you're finding the free third-party tools better than the paid GPT-4?
- behnamoh 3y ago
  I think third party subscriptions are worth it. Poe, for instance, is the same $20/mo as ChatGPT Pro, but also offers Claude+ (though, they have a 600 GPT-4 message/mo quota, after which you may get slower GPT-4, idk). I found Phind much much better than ChatGPT Pro with Browsing/Search Plugins. Phind is free for now, but I'd gladly subscribe if they offer it to avoid going bankrupt. Edit: I think phind.com switched to ChatGPT-4 Pro. They used to use GPT-4 API but after the switch, there's a noticeable degradation in quality of responses. :( Even Bing works better than ChatGPT-4, but the problem with Bing is limited context window (can only type 2000 tokens in the chat). In comparison, Phind allows for 6000 tokens!
  - accrual 3y ago
    Just curious and if you're willing to share, what kind of work do you do with ChatGPT that you justify the subscription with? I'm pretty happy with the free version but I could see myself using it a lot more in a different role.
    - behnamoh 3y ago
      Mostly coding, but also ideation (like a grad student working for you).

5 points by behnamoh 3y ago

themodelplumber 3y ago

That's very interesting, thanks for sharing your experience. Do you find the third-party subscriptions worth it, or are you saying that you're finding the free third-party tools better than the paid GPT-4?

behnamoh 3y ago
I think third party subscriptions are worth it. Poe, for instance, is the same $20/mo as ChatGPT Pro, but also offers Claude+ (though, they have a 600 GPT-4 message/mo quota, after which you may get slower GPT-4, idk). I found Phind much much better than ChatGPT Pro with Browsing/Search Plugins. Phind is free for now, but I'd gladly subscribe if they offer it to avoid going bankrupt. Edit: I think phind.com switched to ChatGPT-4 Pro. They used to use GPT-4 API but after the switch, there's a noticeable degradation in quality of responses. :( Even Bing works better than ChatGPT-4, but the problem with Bing is limited context window (can only type 2000 tokens in the chat). In comparison, Phind allows for 6000 tokens!
- accrual 3y ago
  Just curious and if you're willing to share, what kind of work do you do with ChatGPT that you justify the subscription with? I'm pretty happy with the free version but I could see myself using it a lot more in a different role.
  - behnamoh 3y ago
    Mostly coding, but also ideation (like a grad student working for you).