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I definitely don’t support child pornography, but the quote from the article: > He warned that a paedophile could, "move along that scale of offending from tho

by KMnO4 3y ago

I definitely don’t support child pornography, but the quote from the article: > He warned that a paedophile could, "move along that scale of offending from thought, to synthetic, to actually the abuse of a live child". Sounds a lot like the argument that violent video games are responsible for real life shootings.

throwaway20s 3y ago
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sterlind 3y ago
is there any evidence for or against this? re: CP, not video games. I'd search the literature myself, but searching anything about it is too sketchy for me.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > is there any evidence for or against this? re: CP, not video games. I don't think you're going to find much. From what I hear, admitting things like that to therapists or anybody else with an interest in collecting such data either invokes mandatory reporting obligations or puts you on some sort of list.
  - sterlind 3y ago
    I was assuming there'd be a study of convicted pedophiles and recidivism rates or something. Like, the scientists would study the people who are already on some list.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Generally it’s observed that people who possess CP are pedophiles at a greater rate than the gen pop, so presumably, A can lead to B. That’s the entire argument. Child abuse has been going down globally at around the same time of the rise of CSAM so this argument isn’t only very likely wrong the truth extremely plausibly lies in the opposite direction, since a very obvious explanation for the prior phenomenon is simply B likes A more than most people. Frankly pornography turns people into docile chronic mastrubrators more than it turns them into rapacious monsters, the rise of porn in general has correlated to a decline in how much sex the average person has, and also a decline in sexual abuse generally. There’s a lot of problems with porn but this just isn’t one of them. This is one of the things where the facts don’t matter though. Caveat: I’m talking in general terms here, I’m sure porn is a trigger for some abuser out there.
yardstick 3y ago
IMO they should have instead focused on how the images were generated in the first place. Ie what illegal content was used to build the base model?

by KMnO4 3y ago

throwaway20s 3y ago

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sterlind 3y ago

is there any evidence for or against this? re: CP, not video games. I'd search the literature myself, but searching anything about it is too sketchy for me.

jstarfish 3y ago
> is there any evidence for or against this? re: CP, not video games. I don't think you're going to find much. From what I hear, admitting things like that to therapists or anybody else with an interest in collecting such data either invokes mandatory reporting obligations or puts you on some sort of list.
- sterlind 3y ago
  I was assuming there'd be a study of convicted pedophiles and recidivism rates or something. Like, the scientists would study the people who are already on some list.
faeriechangling 3y ago
Generally it’s observed that people who possess CP are pedophiles at a greater rate than the gen pop, so presumably, A can lead to B. That’s the entire argument. Child abuse has been going down globally at around the same time of the rise of CSAM so this argument isn’t only very likely wrong the truth extremely plausibly lies in the opposite direction, since a very obvious explanation for the prior phenomenon is simply B likes A more than most people. Frankly pornography turns people into docile chronic mastrubrators more than it turns them into rapacious monsters, the rise of porn in general has correlated to a decline in how much sex the average person has, and also a decline in sexual abuse generally. There’s a lot of problems with porn but this just isn’t one of them. This is one of the things where the facts don’t matter though. Caveat: I’m talking in general terms here, I’m sure porn is a trigger for some abuser out there.

yardstick 3y ago

IMO they should have instead focused on how the images were generated in the first place. Ie what illegal content was used to build the base model?