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OpenRC predates systemd I believe

Arnavion 3y ago
It's also not a complete alternative, because it doesn't have anything for user session services like `systemd --user`. I use postmarketOS which is based on Alpine which uses OpenRC, and desktop session daemons currently have to be started by the compositor via XDG autostart files. So services start fine but they're not restarted if they crash, they have ad-hoc logging, etc. One of the pmOS devs wrote a user session service manager [1] but pmOS doesn't use it (yet?). And Alpine as a whole is planning on moving away from OpenRC anyway. [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~craftyguy/superd https://git.sr.ht/~craftyguy/superd
- jabl 3y ago
  Oh, what is Alpine planning to move to?
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36496431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36496431
- navi-desu 3y ago
  > It's also not a complete alternative, because it doesn't have anything for user session services like `systemd --user`. i am working on a implementation of that for openrc for a while now, it's been working nicely so far: https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/pull/573 https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/pull/573
  - JdeBP 3y ago
    Enjoy https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/per-user-dbus-demand-start.html https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/per-user-dbus-demand-s... and https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/commands/dbus-daemon-launch-helper.xml https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/commands/dbus-daemon-l... .
- chlorion 3y ago
  There is work being done to add user sessions to openrc by some person. It seems pretty cool so far! I'm not totally sure whether openrc will merge this or not, but I would definitely like to see this be added. edit: They actually seem to have replied to you while I was writing the original comment.
- m4rtink 3y ago
  It really seems strange to me that postmarketOS does not use systemd, given how its too main usecases (mobile use as well as server use of repurposed devices) would certainly benefit from a mature service manager. Possibly even if they had to put it on top of Alpine themselves.
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    pmOS has no intention of moving off of Alpine base, and systemd is still incompatible with musl (or vice versa, depending on which side you're on in the arguement :) ), and OpenRC works well enough for now.
hedora 3y ago
That doesn't mean its initial design didn't learn from the mistakes systemd made.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  How could that be possible if it predates systemd?
  - hedora 3y ago
    systemd repeats a lot of mistakes that systems prior to openrc made, and that openrc avoided.

It's also not a complete alternative, because it doesn't have anything for user session services like `systemd --user`. I use postmarketOS which is based on Alpine which uses OpenRC, and desktop session daemons currently have to be started by the compositor via XDG autostart files. So services start fine but they're not restarted if they crash, they have ad-hoc logging, etc. One of the pmOS devs wrote a user session service manager [1] but pmOS doesn't use it (yet?). And Alpine as a whole is planning on moving away from OpenRC anyway. [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~craftyguy/superd https://git.sr.ht/~craftyguy/superd

jabl 3y ago
Oh, what is Alpine planning to move to?
- Arnavion 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36496431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36496431
navi-desu 3y ago
> It's also not a complete alternative, because it doesn't have anything for user session services like `systemd --user`. i am working on a implementation of that for openrc for a while now, it's been working nicely so far: https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/pull/573 https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/pull/573
- JdeBP 3y ago
  Enjoy https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/per-user-dbus-demand-start.html https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/per-user-dbus-demand-s... and https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/commands/dbus-daemon-launch-helper.xml https://jdebp.uk/Softwares/nosh/guide/commands/dbus-daemon-l... .
chlorion 3y ago
There is work being done to add user sessions to openrc by some person. It seems pretty cool so far! I'm not totally sure whether openrc will merge this or not, but I would definitely like to see this be added. edit: They actually seem to have replied to you while I was writing the original comment.
m4rtink 3y ago
It really seems strange to me that postmarketOS does not use systemd, given how its too main usecases (mobile use as well as server use of repurposed devices) would certainly benefit from a mature service manager. Possibly even if they had to put it on top of Alpine themselves.
- Arnavion 3y ago
  pmOS has no intention of moving off of Alpine base, and systemd is still incompatible with musl (or vice versa, depending on which side you're on in the arguement :) ), and OpenRC works well enough for now.

hedora 3y ago

That doesn't mean its initial design didn't learn from the mistakes systemd made.

edgyquant 3y ago
How could that be possible if it predates systemd?
- hedora 3y ago
  systemd repeats a lot of mistakes that systems prior to openrc made, and that openrc avoided.