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A few counter examples. Lol. Asbestos in talcum powder. PFAS exposure and dumping into public water supplies. Monsanto and roundup. Cigarettes health effects.

A few counter examples. Lol. Asbestos in talcum powder. PFAS exposure and dumping into public water supplies. Monsanto and roundup. Cigarettes health effects. Climate change from burning hydrocarbons. Norfolk southern and the controlled burn in east palistine. I could literally go on and on about the history of execs poisoning people and the planet while knowing full well about it. All to keep the profit margin, but you know this stuff you’re just willfully ignoring it. If you’re an ethical executive, you’re a unicorn.

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
> but you know this stuff you’re just willfully ignoring it. That sure is what it seems like. C-level solidarity, even managed to blame the peons with just as little evidence as everyone else blaming the execs...
- salawat 3y ago
  There:s a difference between strategic "say no evil, see no evil,..." Which is rampant in C-level management, and the public having difficulty leveraging legal discovery processes against corporations with far more budget to throw at defanging or maliciously complying with such request, and there "being no evidence". Evil exists. Stop shoving your head in the sand and realize it's an uphill fight.
playingalong 3y ago
I agree with your first paragraph. The last sentence is a stretch though. The fact that there were multiple execs who were blatantly unethical doesn't mean most execs are unethical.
- MarkMarine 3y ago
  Would it be better if I listed every instance of executives choosing to poison people, willfully put them in dangerous working conditions to save some money against the law, releasing products they knew would maim people or kill people… all for marginal increases in share price? It’s a long freaking list. This is the way this system is setup. Executives pursue profit at the expense of everything else. This is the cornerstone of capitalism.
  - cj 3y ago
    This is like listing a few well known black hat hackers and using that to conclude that all engineers are therefore hackers. There are tens of thousands of companies in the US. The vast majority of them aren’t run by horrible people.
jdm2212 3y ago
There's a difference between "the executives are bad people doing a bad thing that is _maybe_ tortious" and "the executives are committing a crime". OP was claiming the latter is rare. You're saying the former is common. They're not the same thing though.
- MarkMarine 3y ago
  Just because it isn’t prosecuted in our system doesn’t mean that the execs choosing to poison people isn’t a crime. Maybe I have a naive view of the law, but when you read a report that says your chemicals are poisoning people, and you choose to dump it in public waterways, you’re guilty of a crime personally.
  - jdm2212 3y ago
    You're confusing the concepts of "immoral" and "illegal".
    - MarkMarine 3y ago
      Poisoning people is a crime.
      - jdm2212 3y ago
        If you say so, dude.

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago

> but you know this stuff you’re just willfully ignoring it. That sure is what it seems like. C-level solidarity, even managed to blame the peons with just as little evidence as everyone else blaming the execs...

salawat 3y ago
There:s a difference between strategic "say no evil, see no evil,..." Which is rampant in C-level management, and the public having difficulty leveraging legal discovery processes against corporations with far more budget to throw at defanging or maliciously complying with such request, and there "being no evidence". Evil exists. Stop shoving your head in the sand and realize it's an uphill fight.

playingalong 3y ago

I agree with your first paragraph. The last sentence is a stretch though. The fact that there were multiple execs who were blatantly unethical doesn't mean most execs are unethical.

MarkMarine 3y ago
Would it be better if I listed every instance of executives choosing to poison people, willfully put them in dangerous working conditions to save some money against the law, releasing products they knew would maim people or kill people… all for marginal increases in share price? It’s a long freaking list. This is the way this system is setup. Executives pursue profit at the expense of everything else. This is the cornerstone of capitalism.
- cj 3y ago
  This is like listing a few well known black hat hackers and using that to conclude that all engineers are therefore hackers. There are tens of thousands of companies in the US. The vast majority of them aren’t run by horrible people.

jdm2212 3y ago

There's a difference between "the executives are bad people doing a bad thing that is _maybe_ tortious" and "the executives are committing a crime". OP was claiming the latter is rare. You're saying the former is common. They're not the same thing though.

MarkMarine 3y ago
Just because it isn’t prosecuted in our system doesn’t mean that the execs choosing to poison people isn’t a crime. Maybe I have a naive view of the law, but when you read a report that says your chemicals are poisoning people, and you choose to dump it in public waterways, you’re guilty of a crime personally.
- jdm2212 3y ago
  You're confusing the concepts of "immoral" and "illegal".
  - MarkMarine 3y ago
    Poisoning people is a crime.
    - jdm2212 3y ago
      If you say so, dude.