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So is this a successor to the DE-10 Nano (the board the MiSTERFPGA project is based on)? (after looking at corescore probably not, as it'd be way too expensive

So is this a successor to the DE-10 Nano (the board the MiSTERFPGA project is based on)? (after looking at corescore probably not, as it'd be way too expensive. that being said, the DE-10 Nano is getting old, are there any potential successors coming)?

Foobar8568 3y ago
DE-10 nano is an Intel (Altera) board based on a Cyclone V, I don't think there has been any mindful updates in this price range at Intel.
asguy 3y ago
There are many already available, e.g. ZedBoard, someone just has to do the work to target these other boards and their peripherals/layout.
- MegaDeKay 3y ago
  Nothing is really comparable to the DE-10 Nano's combination of capacity, embedded ARM cores, memory, HDMI scaler, and (most importantly) price. The ZedBoard fails the last test: it is a fair bit more expensive than the Nano. I am keen on the MiSTex project though. The plan is to come up with something that is more flexible than MiSTer to support different targets. So for example, you might be able to target a simpler core to a simpler device and vice versa. https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/enjoy-digital/litex https://github.com/enjoy-digital/litex
  - postalrat 3y ago
    Is there any chance mister could be made to run on pano logic g2 or others? Those are pretty cheap but aren't made any more.
  - asguy 3y ago
    > and (most importantly) price. … OP didn’t mention they were optimizing for price. Some might say it makes sense to optimize for availability, recent updates to hardware software stack, etc.
jhallenworld 3y ago
How about KV260 or KR260? (250K LEs, Ultrascale+ 16 nm) https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amd/SK-KV260-G/13985269?s=N4IgjCBcpg7ALAJiqAxlAZgQwDYGcBTAGhAHsoBtEWAZgAYwaaQBdEgBwBcoQBlTgE4BLAHYBzEAF9JJZJCoBrAG6IAbHVaSgA https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amd/SK-KV260-G/13... The price is very good for Ultrascale+. I think something could made cheaper using an Efinix Titanium chip, someone should do it. Their own dev. board is too expensive: https://www.efinixinc.com/products-devkits-titaniumti180m484.html https://www.efinixinc.com/products-devkits-titaniumti180m484...
- xodjmk 3y ago
  These boards are amazing for the price. About 1/3 as expensive as a Zedboard and way more capable. It's confusing, but real. I use both for work & personal projects.
aseipp 3y ago
This thing probably costs more than your car. So, no, it is not a successor in any meaningful sense. There are a lot of alternatives right now that would be an acceptable choice; it's mostly that the DE10-Nano has all the mindshare and the Mister community behind it. But, in better news, it looks like Intel is finally getting off their asses and actually expanding their newest Agilex series to meet their customers across the spectrum, and finally offer new alternatives to their Cyclone series, which is used in the Nano. Sometime later this year they are planning to announce the "Agilex 3" line, and that -- or the already announced "Agilex 5" -- will likely be what you will see in the successor to the DE10-Nano. It will still take work to target this chip and get it into a board people can readily buy.

Foobar8568 3y ago

DE-10 nano is an Intel (Altera) board based on a Cyclone V, I don't think there has been any mindful updates in this price range at Intel.

asguy 3y ago

There are many already available, e.g. ZedBoard, someone just has to do the work to target these other boards and their peripherals/layout.

MegaDeKay 3y ago
Nothing is really comparable to the DE-10 Nano's combination of capacity, embedded ARM cores, memory, HDMI scaler, and (most importantly) price. The ZedBoard fails the last test: it is a fair bit more expensive than the Nano. I am keen on the MiSTex project though. The plan is to come up with something that is more flexible than MiSTer to support different targets. So for example, you might be able to target a simpler core to a simpler device and vice versa. https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/enjoy-digital/litex https://github.com/enjoy-digital/litex
- postalrat 3y ago
  Is there any chance mister could be made to run on pano logic g2 or others? Those are pretty cheap but aren't made any more.
- asguy 3y ago
  > and (most importantly) price. … OP didn’t mention they were optimizing for price. Some might say it makes sense to optimize for availability, recent updates to hardware software stack, etc.

jhallenworld 3y ago

How about KV260 or KR260? (250K LEs, Ultrascale+ 16 nm) https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amd/SK-KV260-G/13985269?s=N4IgjCBcpg7ALAJiqAxlAZgQwDYGcBTAGhAHsoBtEWAZgAYwaaQBdEgBwBcoQBlTgE4BLAHYBzEAF9JJZJCoBrAG6IAbHVaSgA https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amd/SK-KV260-G/13... The price is very good for Ultrascale+. I think something could made cheaper using an Efinix Titanium chip, someone should do it. Their own dev. board is too expensive: https://www.efinixinc.com/products-devkits-titaniumti180m484.html https://www.efinixinc.com/products-devkits-titaniumti180m484...

xodjmk 3y ago
These boards are amazing for the price. About 1/3 as expensive as a Zedboard and way more capable. It's confusing, but real. I use both for work & personal projects.

aseipp 3y ago

This thing probably costs more than your car. So, no, it is not a successor in any meaningful sense. There are a lot of alternatives right now that would be an acceptable choice; it's mostly that the DE10-Nano has all the mindshare and the Mister community behind it. But, in better news, it looks like Intel is finally getting off their asses and actually expanding their newest Agilex series to meet their customers across the spectrum, and finally offer new alternatives to their Cyclone series, which is used in the Nano. Sometime later this year they are planning to announce the "Agilex 3" line, and that -- or the already announced "Agilex 5" -- will likely be what you will see in the successor to the DE10-Nano. It will still take work to target this chip and get it into a board people can readily buy.