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>Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be. That is just the bare minimum. Its 2023, every phone is like t

>Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be. That is just the bare minimum. Its 2023, every phone is like this. Anyway, any teenager can tell you what its like to have the wrong kind of bubbles. They are extremely susceptible to in-group bias. Heck I wore Abercrombie and American Eagle, it wasn't because the clothes fit. I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. At some point, its denialism to think in-group bias doesnt exist. Not that someone exploited can easily admit to it, its far too difficult to imagine your brain being incorrect about something. Much easier to say things like "they are reliable and consistent" than to accept that marketers have exploited us.

noisy_boy 3y ago
> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". All the people she didn't date thank her.
woodruffw 3y ago
I don't think it makes sense to confuse the preferences of teenagers (a market group who, overwhelmingly, don't buy their own phones) with adults. In other words: the fact that teenagers prefer the same kind of free devices as their friends have is not particularly strong evidence that adults make purchasing decisions based on just chat bubble colors.
acdha 3y ago
> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them. In the messaging case, it’s important to remember that Google is currently funding a huge lobbying campaign trying to get governments to restore the market position they gave up a decade ago. SMS messages have been green on iOS since the first iPhone – and shortly after the App Store launched most people were using Google Chat since everyone using Gmail was on it and it even federated with other XMPP services. Google spent the next decade pushing users away with a bunch of poorly conceived and executed attempts to lock users into their proprietary system. Only after those failed did they start picking up RCS, but most of their catch up with iMessage work has been proprietary extensions which help sell carriers on Google’s Jibe cloud service. I like the idea of open protocols but Google is acting out of self interest and I have no doubt that they’d try to lock things up in a heartbeat if they think they could get away with it. Let them park for their own PR, and we can talk about more open alternatives.
- philistine 3y ago
  Exactly. The power over iMessage is in Apple’s hands. Yet Google, with their RCS push, have not made something open-source were they have less power than Apple. RCS is controlled by Google just like iMessage.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    That isnt factual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA Google doesnt control RCS. Its a general format. Apple could implement RCS. At most, they are a loud voice. Any phone can adopt it. This is completely different from a closed imessage that cannot be adopted by others. Not to mention, imessage has been pretty anti-consumer with all their security problems, inability to accept high quality video, etc... None of this is good for the consumer. What is good for the consumer is that the color of the bubble are different, this is important for status seeking individuals who want to be part of the in-group. Back to the parent comments, RCS is better if you want a computing device. iMessage is the best if you want to buy your way into an in-group.
    - acdha 3y ago
      Google does control the proprietary extensions to RCS they use to try to catch up to iMessage on security and features. The developers of apps like Signal, etc. have been asking for access for many years but Google chose to exclude them as they try to build their user base. Similarly, most of the carriers in the US haven’t actually implemented it themselves - they’re just paying Google’s Jibe subsidiary to host it for them. This is not open in practice even if there’s a theory where it could eventually be open.
      - hospitalJail 3y ago
        >proprietary extensions to RCS Oof gross. Do you have any further reading? I couldn't find anything on it.
- hospitalJail 3y ago

noisy_boy 3y ago

> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". All the people she didn't date thank her.

woodruffw 3y ago

I don't think it makes sense to confuse the preferences of teenagers (a market group who, overwhelmingly, don't buy their own phones) with adults. In other words: the fact that teenagers prefer the same kind of free devices as their friends have is not particularly strong evidence that adults make purchasing decisions based on just chat bubble colors.

acdha 3y ago

> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them. In the messaging case, it’s important to remember that Google is currently funding a huge lobbying campaign trying to get governments to restore the market position they gave up a decade ago. SMS messages have been green on iOS since the first iPhone – and shortly after the App Store launched most people were using Google Chat since everyone using Gmail was on it and it even federated with other XMPP services. Google spent the next decade pushing users away with a bunch of poorly conceived and executed attempts to lock users into their proprietary system. Only after those failed did they start picking up RCS, but most of their catch up with iMessage work has been proprietary extensions which help sell carriers on Google’s Jibe cloud service. I like the idea of open protocols but Google is acting out of self interest and I have no doubt that they’d try to lock things up in a heartbeat if they think they could get away with it. Let them park for their own PR, and we can talk about more open alternatives.

philistine 3y ago
Exactly. The power over iMessage is in Apple’s hands. Yet Google, with their RCS push, have not made something open-source were they have less power than Apple. RCS is controlled by Google just like iMessage.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  That isnt factual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA Google doesnt control RCS. Its a general format. Apple could implement RCS. At most, they are a loud voice. Any phone can adopt it. This is completely different from a closed imessage that cannot be adopted by others. Not to mention, imessage has been pretty anti-consumer with all their security problems, inability to accept high quality video, etc... None of this is good for the consumer. What is good for the consumer is that the color of the bubble are different, this is important for status seeking individuals who want to be part of the in-group. Back to the parent comments, RCS is better if you want a computing device. iMessage is the best if you want to buy your way into an in-group.
  - acdha 3y ago
    Google does control the proprietary extensions to RCS they use to try to catch up to iMessage on security and features. The developers of apps like Signal, etc. have been asking for access for many years but Google chose to exclude them as they try to build their user base. Similarly, most of the carriers in the US haven’t actually implemented it themselves - they’re just paying Google’s Jibe subsidiary to host it for them. This is not open in practice even if there’s a theory where it could eventually be open.
    - hospitalJail 3y ago
      >proprietary extensions to RCS Oof gross. Do you have any further reading? I couldn't find anything on it.
hospitalJail 3y ago