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It’s also why funding our institutions and fighting to keep them honest is so damn important. Regulation is insufficient without enforcement.

betaby 3y ago
But that's precisely the problem! Every aspect of the life is over regulated and smaller bushiness are kneecapped On other side big companies can get away with whatever. At some states florist is a regulated profession and requires more hours of training than for police. "For my friends everything, for my enemies the law".
- bentcorner 3y ago
  > and requires more hours of training than for police. Citation? Best I could find is that Louisiana regulates floristry but doesn't mandate education (you need to take an exam). As for taking more hours of training than police I think you are conflating that fact in your head with this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cosmetologists-police-training/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cosmetologists-police-trai... Besides, I'm not sure how you got here in a thread about how Fedex, a "big compan[y] [which] can get away with whatever" getting caught scamming people.
  - betaby 3y ago
    > Citation? https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582/QC https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582... Florist, regulated in QC, training is ~1K hours. https://www.quebec.ca/en/government/quebec-at-a-glance/first-nations-and-inuit/police-training-indigenous-students https://www.quebec.ca/en/government/quebec-at-a-glance/first... training is also ~1K hours. > Besides, I'm not sure how you got here in a thread about how Fedex, a "big compan[y] [which] can get away with whatever" getting caught scamming people. Car sales (any many other things) are heavily regulated where I live. Also it seems regulations are not enforced if one is 'too big to fall'.
    - bentlegen 3y ago
      I just clicked through that link you provided (jobbank.gc.ca) and there's nothing that says florists need "1k hours" of training. It's unclear that they even need to be licensed at all. I also Googled for "license quebec florist" and didn't get any meaningful results.[1] Can you provide better citation, or point explicitly to the licensing requirements? [1] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=license+florist+quebec https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=license+f...
      - realo 3y ago
        Well... I can understand why quite a bit of specialized knowledge would be needed. You have to know your flowers well, know how to operate the refrigeration machinery, what flower keeps at which temperature, what to do if your flowers seem sick etc etc... Although a university degree "may be required by some employers ", I find this a bit much, however.
    - bentcorner 3y ago
      > https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582/QC https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582... > Florist, regulated in QC, training is ~1K hours. Is it? That page is extremely vague and doesn't seem to be specific to study hours or even education requirements. Floristry doesn't seem to be on the list of regulated professions in Quebec: https://www.quebec.ca/emploi3/metiers-professions/metiers-reglementes https://www.quebec.ca/emploi3/metiers-professions/metiers-re..., but I may have missed it.
      - betaby 3y ago
        De-facto florists in QC need Certificat d'aptitude professionnelle Link in french shows 1K hours https://ecole-metiers-horticulture.cssdm.gouv.qc.ca/programmes/fleuristerie/ https://ecole-metiers-horticulture.cssdm.gouv.qc.ca/programm... to obtain one.
        halostatue 3y ago
- spacemadness 3y ago
  Fines are just the cost of doing business and are priced in. Executive crime enforcement and resulting jail time is sorely needed. And not in luxury prisons, but in real prisons where the plebs go. Fines do nothing. One can dream, the rich at the top write all the rules. It’s not like Joe Average is the one taking golf trips with Supreme Court justices and buying lobbyists to do their dirty work.
- cde-v 3y ago
  Stop ignoring the class war and start fighting it.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  That seems like an issue regulating the police and not an issue with opening up a florist business.

betaby 3y ago

But that's precisely the problem! Every aspect of the life is over regulated and smaller bushiness are kneecapped On other side big companies can get away with whatever. At some states florist is a regulated profession and requires more hours of training than for police. "For my friends everything, for my enemies the law".

bentcorner 3y ago
> and requires more hours of training than for police. Citation? Best I could find is that Louisiana regulates floristry but doesn't mandate education (you need to take an exam). As for taking more hours of training than police I think you are conflating that fact in your head with this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cosmetologists-police-training/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cosmetologists-police-trai... Besides, I'm not sure how you got here in a thread about how Fedex, a "big compan[y] [which] can get away with whatever" getting caught scamming people.
- betaby 3y ago
  > Citation? https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582/QC https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582... Florist, regulated in QC, training is ~1K hours. https://www.quebec.ca/en/government/quebec-at-a-glance/first-nations-and-inuit/police-training-indigenous-students https://www.quebec.ca/en/government/quebec-at-a-glance/first... training is also ~1K hours. > Besides, I'm not sure how you got here in a thread about how Fedex, a "big compan[y] [which] can get away with whatever" getting caught scamming people. Car sales (any many other things) are heavily regulated where I live. Also it seems regulations are not enforced if one is 'too big to fall'.
  - bentlegen 3y ago
    I just clicked through that link you provided (jobbank.gc.ca) and there's nothing that says florists need "1k hours" of training. It's unclear that they even need to be licensed at all. I also Googled for "license quebec florist" and didn't get any meaningful results.[1] Can you provide better citation, or point explicitly to the licensing requirements? [1] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=license+florist+quebec https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=license+f...
    - realo 3y ago
      Well... I can understand why quite a bit of specialized knowledge would be needed. You have to know your flowers well, know how to operate the refrigeration machinery, what flower keeps at which temperature, what to do if your flowers seem sick etc etc... Although a university degree "may be required by some employers ", I find this a bit much, however.
  - bentcorner 3y ago
    > https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582/QC https://www.on.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/requirements/24582... > Florist, regulated in QC, training is ~1K hours. Is it? That page is extremely vague and doesn't seem to be specific to study hours or even education requirements. Floristry doesn't seem to be on the list of regulated professions in Quebec: https://www.quebec.ca/emploi3/metiers-professions/metiers-reglementes https://www.quebec.ca/emploi3/metiers-professions/metiers-re..., but I may have missed it.
    - betaby 3y ago
      De-facto florists in QC need Certificat d'aptitude professionnelle Link in french shows 1K hours https://ecole-metiers-horticulture.cssdm.gouv.qc.ca/programmes/fleuristerie/ https://ecole-metiers-horticulture.cssdm.gouv.qc.ca/programm... to obtain one.
      - halostatue 3y ago
spacemadness 3y ago
Fines are just the cost of doing business and are priced in. Executive crime enforcement and resulting jail time is sorely needed. And not in luxury prisons, but in real prisons where the plebs go. Fines do nothing. One can dream, the rich at the top write all the rules. It’s not like Joe Average is the one taking golf trips with Supreme Court justices and buying lobbyists to do their dirty work.
cde-v 3y ago
Stop ignoring the class war and start fighting it.
Larrikin 3y ago
That seems like an issue regulating the police and not an issue with opening up a florist business.