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Always fun to continue to see innovation within the Minecraft Java space. At Hypixel we ran (and I believe they still do run) a custom fork of Spigot from 2014

Always fun to continue to see innovation within the Minecraft Java space. At Hypixel we ran (and I believe they still do run) a custom fork of Spigot from 2014-ish, with features from each sequential update to Minecraft being added to our fork via our Spigot fork. This let us diverge greatly and customize the Minecraft protocol to our own needs, saving hugely on internal bandwidth and letting us optimize crap out of the L7 "BungeeCord" reverse-proxy we used.

nabogh 3y ago
That sounds cool as hell. I was always impressed when I jumped on hypixel just how much custom server work must've gone into it.
lyu07282 3y ago
> Always fun to continue to see innovation within the Minecraft Java space. Just don't expect that innovation to come out of Mojang/Minecraft
- LeeroyWasHere 3y ago
  Let's all remember that Notch didn't want any multiplayer and purposefully did everything he could to make it painful. Minecraft would be dead without the community devs and artists.
  - lyu07282 3y ago
    That can't be true, minecraft already had multiplayer in 2009. He didn't make it intentionally painful and never said anything like that. I remember there being huge issues with multiplayer but that was mostly because of bad architecture, not intentional.
    - creatonez 3y ago
      Correct, I don't think he hesitated even a little bit on adding multiplayer support. The very first announcement of Minecraft's existence mentioned two planned game modes (fortress and team survival) that would require multiplayer and that all gamemodes would support it https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=6273.0 https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=6273.0
      - lyu07282 3y ago
        yep, just to add to that I remember there was a big deal to rearchitect the entire engine to use a client-server architecture even when running singleplayer. This also enabled the "Open to LAN" feature in which you can start a server from your singleplayer world with a single click. https://web.archive.org/web/20120713082903/http://www.mojang.com/2012/07/minecraft-1-3-info-snapshot-w27/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120713082903/http://www.mojang...
  - hu3 3y ago
    > Let's all remember that Notch didn't want any multiplayer and purposefully did everything he could to make it painful. That's a big claim. Got a source?
mooman219 3y ago
Oh god that's a throwback. I remember hanging out in the bukket IRC before all the legal debacles. I worked on MCSG and Wynncraft. It honestly was a blast slamming together patches on spigot(craftbukkit(nms))) onion; I remember writing a patch to run entities off main-thread among other things. I hope you're doing well and I hope Hytale is doing alright! I feel like everyone I intereacted with back then ended up doing well in tech in some form.

nabogh 3y ago

That sounds cool as hell. I was always impressed when I jumped on hypixel just how much custom server work must've gone into it.

lyu07282 3y ago

> Always fun to continue to see innovation within the Minecraft Java space. Just don't expect that innovation to come out of Mojang/Minecraft

LeeroyWasHere 3y ago
Let's all remember that Notch didn't want any multiplayer and purposefully did everything he could to make it painful. Minecraft would be dead without the community devs and artists.
- lyu07282 3y ago
  That can't be true, minecraft already had multiplayer in 2009. He didn't make it intentionally painful and never said anything like that. I remember there being huge issues with multiplayer but that was mostly because of bad architecture, not intentional.
  - creatonez 3y ago
    Correct, I don't think he hesitated even a little bit on adding multiplayer support. The very first announcement of Minecraft's existence mentioned two planned game modes (fortress and team survival) that would require multiplayer and that all gamemodes would support it https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=6273.0 https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=6273.0
    - lyu07282 3y ago
      yep, just to add to that I remember there was a big deal to rearchitect the entire engine to use a client-server architecture even when running singleplayer. This also enabled the "Open to LAN" feature in which you can start a server from your singleplayer world with a single click. https://web.archive.org/web/20120713082903/http://www.mojang.com/2012/07/minecraft-1-3-info-snapshot-w27/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120713082903/http://www.mojang...
- hu3 3y ago
  > Let's all remember that Notch didn't want any multiplayer and purposefully did everything he could to make it painful. That's a big claim. Got a source?

mooman219 3y ago

Oh god that's a throwback. I remember hanging out in the bukket IRC before all the legal debacles. I worked on MCSG and Wynncraft. It honestly was a blast slamming together patches on spigot(craftbukkit(nms))) onion; I remember writing a patch to run entities off main-thread among other things. I hope you're doing well and I hope Hytale is doing alright! I feel like everyone I intereacted with back then ended up doing well in tech in some form.