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It's hard to make the case the this is different than Stadia even. I could see it being interesting if it's just games you can run completely in the client you

by paddw 3y ago

It's hard to make the case the this is different than Stadia even. I could see it being interesting if it's just games you can run completely in the client you can publish, where you can collect revenue through ads like a YouTube video.

smt88 3y ago
> It's hard to make the case the this is different than Stadia even. Availability in YouTube (an app almost everyone has) is a big differentiator. It would also be a big deal if you could play games through YouTube Playables that didn't have to be specifically adapted to that platform. Like if they could just stream any Windows game, that would be a big deal.
- solardev 3y ago
  You don't need a special app to stream games. Whether they originate on PC, Playstation, or Xbox, all the major streaming services can stream directly to a browser tab. Right now, for example, you can play hundreds of Steam games from the GeForce Now website without downloading any apps. Or Xbox Cloud Streaming. I'm sure it wouldn't have been a big lift to integrate Stadia into YouTube, Google just didn't care enough to do anything about it. Stadia was the worst in terms of compatibility. They required devs to go through special effort to port games over (instead of integrating directly with Steam like Geforce Now does, or streaming Windows itself like Shadow does). And you'd have to rebuy all the games on Stadia even if you already had it on a different platform. And there was no crossplay and usually no cross progression. It was dead for arrival for any serious gamer and way too expensive, plus terribly marketed, for any casual gamer. But the underlying tech was decent. It was only recently surpassed, in terms of quality and performance, by GeForce Now. And even now the integration still isn't as seamless; in GFN you still go through Steam, whereas in Stadia the game just launches straight in. Maybe a rebrand and repositioning into YouTube, combined with marketing or subscription sharing with paid YouTube or Google One, could bring it back to life... we'll see. At this point, even Google is at a strong disadvantage compared to Nvidia's first party access to new RTX cards (for raytracing) and excellent AI features (upsampling, frame sampling, noise cancelation, etc.) Not sure if they can still catch up. More importantly, not sure if they care to...
- fomine3 3y ago
  Lack of YouTube integration is what I felt weird about Stadia. Having YouTube is a big advantage.

by paddw 3y ago

smt88 3y ago

> It's hard to make the case the this is different than Stadia even. Availability in YouTube (an app almost everyone has) is a big differentiator. It would also be a big deal if you could play games through YouTube Playables that didn't have to be specifically adapted to that platform. Like if they could just stream any Windows game, that would be a big deal.

solardev 3y ago
You don't need a special app to stream games. Whether they originate on PC, Playstation, or Xbox, all the major streaming services can stream directly to a browser tab. Right now, for example, you can play hundreds of Steam games from the GeForce Now website without downloading any apps. Or Xbox Cloud Streaming. I'm sure it wouldn't have been a big lift to integrate Stadia into YouTube, Google just didn't care enough to do anything about it. Stadia was the worst in terms of compatibility. They required devs to go through special effort to port games over (instead of integrating directly with Steam like Geforce Now does, or streaming Windows itself like Shadow does). And you'd have to rebuy all the games on Stadia even if you already had it on a different platform. And there was no crossplay and usually no cross progression. It was dead for arrival for any serious gamer and way too expensive, plus terribly marketed, for any casual gamer. But the underlying tech was decent. It was only recently surpassed, in terms of quality and performance, by GeForce Now. And even now the integration still isn't as seamless; in GFN you still go through Steam, whereas in Stadia the game just launches straight in. Maybe a rebrand and repositioning into YouTube, combined with marketing or subscription sharing with paid YouTube or Google One, could bring it back to life... we'll see. At this point, even Google is at a strong disadvantage compared to Nvidia's first party access to new RTX cards (for raytracing) and excellent AI features (upsampling, frame sampling, noise cancelation, etc.) Not sure if they can still catch up. More importantly, not sure if they care to...
fomine3 3y ago
Lack of YouTube integration is what I felt weird about Stadia. Having YouTube is a big advantage.