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I would guess that few countries have the type of situation that exists in the US where a driver's licence is almost essential in order to go about daily life.

by tmnvix 3y ago

I would guess that few countries have the type of situation that exists in the US where a driver's licence is almost essential in order to go about daily life. Many people in the UK don't bother with a licence. It can be prohibitively expensive when you consider the costs of lessons, a vehicle, and of the licence itself.

throwaway2037 3y ago
Many people in the UK don't bother with a licence. Eh. "Many" is such a vague term. Like, 5% could be considered many. UK is a driving country, period. where a driver's licence is almost essential in order to go about daily life. This is true in all highly developed countries if you live outside the largest cities. You need to drive. It is baked in the cost of your life. Renting is much cheaper outside of the city, but somewhat offset by the cost of driving.
- techer 3y ago
  “in the 5 years from 2015 to 2019, an average of 74% of people in England had a full driving licence“
  - resonance1994 3y ago
    The provisional licence is enough as a voter ID though. I just used it in the last election.
  - nirimda 3y ago
    I note your statistic refers to "people" and not "adults". Usually, some proportion of the people of any given country are ineligible to receive a drivers licence on the basis of their age. It seems that age is 17 in the UK, although I'm not sure whether that counts as full or provisional until they've got a bit more experience. I'll assume full. According to https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/ukpopulationpyramidinteractive/2020-01-08 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati... there's about 1.2% of the people in each age group <17 in England, which means 1.2*17 ~= 20 of the people in the England are ineligible for a drivers licence. So there's only about 6% of people in the England who could have a full drivers licence, but don't. So either they give licences out in the cornflakes at Tescos, or almost the whole adult population of the UK wants a drivers licence.
    - eckesicle 3y ago
      It's 74% of eligible adults, not 74% of the population. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-and-community/transport/driving-licences/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-a...
- Detrytus 3y ago
  Such problems only exist in third world countries, such as US or UK. My country solves this by issuing a plastic ID card to each citizen. You apply for it at your local town hall, and it is free of charge. You can use that ID for voting, or any other interaction with the government when they need to confirm your identity. Hell, they even issued a smartphone application recently, that can be legally used as ID.
  - lotsoweiners 3y ago
    And in the US if you don’t want/need a driver’s license then you just get a state issued ID card. Easy peasy.
    - Detrytus 3y ago
      Does that card allow you to vote? Is it free to obtain? Do people know that such option exists?
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    I need a Google Chrome plugin to block all HN comments that include the term "third world countries". That term is so grossly out of date. Read about it on Wiki. Yes, in wealthy countries, it is a proxy for very poor countries. Still, I do not like that term in 2023. It feels lazy. And more HN vagueness in this post: "My country" Why not just say your country name? After all, most of the world is developing. You don't have much to lose.
bloak 3y ago
A provisional driving licence costs £34 (though you could also pay for the photo). I expect some young people get one primarily in order to be able to buy alcohol. A passport costs £82.50 and is rather less useful as ID inside the UK because it doesn't show an address.

by tmnvix 3y ago

throwaway2037 3y ago

Many people in the UK don't bother with a licence. Eh. "Many" is such a vague term. Like, 5% could be considered many. UK is a driving country, period. where a driver's licence is almost essential in order to go about daily life. This is true in all highly developed countries if you live outside the largest cities. You need to drive. It is baked in the cost of your life. Renting is much cheaper outside of the city, but somewhat offset by the cost of driving.

techer 3y ago
“in the 5 years from 2015 to 2019, an average of 74% of people in England had a full driving licence“
- resonance1994 3y ago
  The provisional licence is enough as a voter ID though. I just used it in the last election.
- nirimda 3y ago
  I note your statistic refers to "people" and not "adults". Usually, some proportion of the people of any given country are ineligible to receive a drivers licence on the basis of their age. It seems that age is 17 in the UK, although I'm not sure whether that counts as full or provisional until they've got a bit more experience. I'll assume full. According to https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/ukpopulationpyramidinteractive/2020-01-08 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati... there's about 1.2% of the people in each age group <17 in England, which means 1.2*17 ~= 20 of the people in the England are ineligible for a drivers licence. So there's only about 6% of people in the England who could have a full drivers licence, but don't. So either they give licences out in the cornflakes at Tescos, or almost the whole adult population of the UK wants a drivers licence.
  - eckesicle 3y ago
    It's 74% of eligible adults, not 74% of the population. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-and-community/transport/driving-licences/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-a...
Detrytus 3y ago
Such problems only exist in third world countries, such as US or UK. My country solves this by issuing a plastic ID card to each citizen. You apply for it at your local town hall, and it is free of charge. You can use that ID for voting, or any other interaction with the government when they need to confirm your identity. Hell, they even issued a smartphone application recently, that can be legally used as ID.
- lotsoweiners 3y ago
  And in the US if you don’t want/need a driver’s license then you just get a state issued ID card. Easy peasy.
  - Detrytus 3y ago
    Does that card allow you to vote? Is it free to obtain? Do people know that such option exists?
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  I need a Google Chrome plugin to block all HN comments that include the term "third world countries". That term is so grossly out of date. Read about it on Wiki. Yes, in wealthy countries, it is a proxy for very poor countries. Still, I do not like that term in 2023. It feels lazy. And more HN vagueness in this post: "My country" Why not just say your country name? After all, most of the world is developing. You don't have much to lose.

bloak 3y ago

A provisional driving licence costs £34 (though you could also pay for the photo). I expect some young people get one primarily in order to be able to buy alcohol. A passport costs £82.50 and is rather less useful as ID inside the UK because it doesn't show an address.