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They're British. We're talking here of the same people who used copper tools and wire brushes on the Parthenon Marbles that they stole, so that it could be more

They're British. We're talking here of the same people who used copper tools and wire brushes on the Parthenon Marbles that they stole, so that it could be more "pure white".

Wildgoose 3y ago
The marbles that were bought, preventing them from being ground up to be made into cement - which was happening. Yes, the "cleaning" was stupid. People didn't realise they were meant to be painted.
- acherion 3y ago
  >The marbles that were bought From whom? Whoever Elgin paid money to certainly didn’t own the marbles, and the firman that he quoted doesn’t exist. He helped himself to set up his own personal museum. >from being ground up to be made into cement Only the marble that was on the ground was ground up into lime. Elgin pulled friezes off the Parthenon, that’s a big difference. The Acropolis Museum has spaces reserved for the return of the marbles to their ancestral home. A museum that’s climate controlled and employs people who care about these artifacts a lot more than the British Museum [1] It seems to me that the people running the British Museum want to hold onto the Marbles lest other governments demand their antiquities back, if the Marbles ever make it back home. [1] https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1166224/possible-water-damage-in-the-british-museum-s-parthenon-gallery/ https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1166224/possible-water-...
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
  >> The marbles that were bought, preventing them from being ground up to be made into cement - which was happening. Are you saying the Parthenon friezes were being ground into cement? That's interesting, I had never heard of that. What I had heard was that the Parthenon sustained most of its destruction during the Ottoman occupation, during fighting with Venetians: Prior damage to the marbles was sustained during successive wars, and it was during such conflicts that the Parthenon and its artwork sustained, by far, the most extensive damage. In particular, an explosion ignited by Venetian gun and cannon-fire bombardment in 1687, whilst the Parthenon was used as a munitions store during the Ottoman rule, destroyed or damaged many pieces of Parthenon art, including some of that later removed by Elgin.[64] It was this explosion that sent the marble roof, most of the cella walls, 14 columns from the north and south peristyles, and carved metopes and frieze blocks flying and crashing to the ground, destroying much of the artwork. Further damage to the Parthenon's artwork occurred when the Venetian general Francesco Morosini looted the site of its larger sculptures. The tackle he was using to remove the sculptures proved to be faulty and snapped, dropping an over-life-sized sculpture of Poseidon and the horses of Athena's chariot from the west pediment on to the rock of the Acropolis 40 feet (12 m) below.[65] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#Morosini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#Morosini I had also heard that the Ottomans had been taking the lead from columns to make into bullets, which caused the besieging Greeks to send them their own to avoid the destruction: During the first siege the besieged Ottoman forces attempted to melt the lead in the columns to cast bullets, even prompting the Greeks to offer their own bullets to the Ottomans in order to minimize damage.[67] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#War_of_Independence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#War_of_Independe... So are you saying the occupying Ottomans, or the Venetians maybe, were grounding the Parthenon friezes to cement and Elgin stole them to preserve them?

They're British. We're talking here of the same people who used copper tools and wire brushes on the Parthenon Marbles that they stole, so that it could be more "pure white".

Wildgoose 3y ago

The marbles that were bought, preventing them from being ground up to be made into cement - which was happening. Yes, the "cleaning" was stupid. People didn't realise they were meant to be painted.

acherion 3y ago
>The marbles that were bought From whom? Whoever Elgin paid money to certainly didn’t own the marbles, and the firman that he quoted doesn’t exist. He helped himself to set up his own personal museum. >from being ground up to be made into cement Only the marble that was on the ground was ground up into lime. Elgin pulled friezes off the Parthenon, that’s a big difference. The Acropolis Museum has spaces reserved for the return of the marbles to their ancestral home. A museum that’s climate controlled and employs people who care about these artifacts a lot more than the British Museum [1] It seems to me that the people running the British Museum want to hold onto the Marbles lest other governments demand their antiquities back, if the Marbles ever make it back home. [1] https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1166224/possible-water-damage-in-the-british-museum-s-parthenon-gallery/ https://www.ekathimerini.com/culture/1166224/possible-water-...
YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
>> The marbles that were bought, preventing them from being ground up to be made into cement - which was happening. Are you saying the Parthenon friezes were being ground into cement? That's interesting, I had never heard of that. What I had heard was that the Parthenon sustained most of its destruction during the Ottoman occupation, during fighting with Venetians: Prior damage to the marbles was sustained during successive wars, and it was during such conflicts that the Parthenon and its artwork sustained, by far, the most extensive damage. In particular, an explosion ignited by Venetian gun and cannon-fire bombardment in 1687, whilst the Parthenon was used as a munitions store during the Ottoman rule, destroyed or damaged many pieces of Parthenon art, including some of that later removed by Elgin.[64] It was this explosion that sent the marble roof, most of the cella walls, 14 columns from the north and south peristyles, and carved metopes and frieze blocks flying and crashing to the ground, destroying much of the artwork. Further damage to the Parthenon's artwork occurred when the Venetian general Francesco Morosini looted the site of its larger sculptures. The tackle he was using to remove the sculptures proved to be faulty and snapped, dropping an over-life-sized sculpture of Poseidon and the horses of Athena's chariot from the west pediment on to the rock of the Acropolis 40 feet (12 m) below.[65] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#Morosini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#Morosini I had also heard that the Ottomans had been taking the lead from columns to make into bullets, which caused the besieging Greeks to send them their own to avoid the destruction: During the first siege the besieged Ottoman forces attempted to melt the lead in the columns to cast bullets, even prompting the Greeks to offer their own bullets to the Ottomans in order to minimize damage.[67] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#War_of_Independence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles#War_of_Independe... So are you saying the occupying Ottomans, or the Venetians maybe, were grounding the Parthenon friezes to cement and Elgin stole them to preserve them?