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> reject all devices that come with any amount of closed software or firmware. Implementing that policy would mean not owning a mobile phone, a car, a televisi

> reject all devices that come with any amount of closed software or firmware. Implementing that policy would mean not owning a mobile phone, a car, a television, microwave, or washing machine, etc.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I would love to see a world where all of those things use open source software and hardware. It would take a long time to make it a reality, but I see a path to that where more people are out there today making successful open source hardware systems and learning the parameters of how to fund them and financially maintain development.
- HKH2 3y ago
  I would too. Some of us have trouble trying to justify buying a System76 laptop etc; the anti-abuse options are usually more expensive. (Edit: PinePhones are cheaper than I thought.)
  - Syonyk 3y ago
    > ...the anti-abuse options are usually more expensive. So you can read into that, "This is how profitable it is to abuse your users." Smart TV companies make more money selling behavioral data now than they do selling TVs. Streaming stick companies are the same. Roku basically gives hardware away at cost in exchange for the juicy data streams coming off it (their "how we sell your data" "privacy" policy is a hysterical read, they grant themselves permission to scan your network and report other devices on it should they care to).
angry_moose 3y ago
Yeah, unfortunately that ship has sailed. The more practical advice at the moment seems to be "don't buy anything with an internet connection if you aren't 100% OK with it tracking your every movement". Seems like that's only going to last another year or two with 5G and shit like Amazon Sidewalk making every single device internet connected.
gerbilly 3y ago
Now you're onto something! And thankfully, you can still find washing machines and microwaves which don't spy on you. Keep your old stuff people cos, soon I'm sure _everything_ will spy on you and track you!
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  The controllers will still be closed source even if they aren't spying.
fsflover 3y ago
Librem 5 smartphone runs an FSF-endorsed OS (PureOS).

> reject all devices that come with any amount of closed software or firmware. Implementing that policy would mean not owning a mobile phone, a car, a television, microwave, or washing machine, etc.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

I would love to see a world where all of those things use open source software and hardware. It would take a long time to make it a reality, but I see a path to that where more people are out there today making successful open source hardware systems and learning the parameters of how to fund them and financially maintain development.

HKH2 3y ago
I would too. Some of us have trouble trying to justify buying a System76 laptop etc; the anti-abuse options are usually more expensive. (Edit: PinePhones are cheaper than I thought.)
- Syonyk 3y ago
  > ...the anti-abuse options are usually more expensive. So you can read into that, "This is how profitable it is to abuse your users." Smart TV companies make more money selling behavioral data now than they do selling TVs. Streaming stick companies are the same. Roku basically gives hardware away at cost in exchange for the juicy data streams coming off it (their "how we sell your data" "privacy" policy is a hysterical read, they grant themselves permission to scan your network and report other devices on it should they care to).

angry_moose 3y ago

Yeah, unfortunately that ship has sailed. The more practical advice at the moment seems to be "don't buy anything with an internet connection if you aren't 100% OK with it tracking your every movement". Seems like that's only going to last another year or two with 5G and shit like Amazon Sidewalk making every single device internet connected.

gerbilly 3y ago

Now you're onto something! And thankfully, you can still find washing machines and microwaves which don't spy on you. Keep your old stuff people cos, soon I'm sure _everything_ will spy on you and track you!

kwhitefoot 3y ago
The controllers will still be closed source even if they aren't spying.

fsflover 3y ago

Librem 5 smartphone runs an FSF-endorsed OS (PureOS).