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I guess this is one of the major down sides of battery not being removeable...

rwiggins 3y ago
Fortunately, it seems the EU will mandate removable batteries by 2027? Caveat: I haven’t done any research into that besides the headline, so YMMV. https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/new-eu-law-to-force-smartphone-makers-to-build-easily-replaceable-batteries https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/new-eu-law-to-forc...
- judge2020 3y ago
  It's not going to do something like require phones use clips again to hold the back on and hold the battery inside the housing. Apple's self-service repair program might already qualify.
  - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
    We do have a useful invention called the screw. With every phone phablet sized nowadays there isn't a valid argument that they don't have room for waterproofed fasteners.
    - sneak 3y ago
      Screws are how in fact one accesses the battery in an iPhone.
      - judge2020 3y ago
        Obviously they should be using big ph1 screws
      - throwaway2037 3y ago
        This post is misleading. Have you watched a YouTube video of what it takes to replace a battery in a modern, advanced mobile phone? Woah, that is a lot of glue. And, it is very tricky to do it right.
      - linooma_ 3y ago
        A 1-2 hour process which includes heating to soften glue, high potential of damaging internal components, or high potential of cracking some piece of glass is not "Screws are how in fact one accesses the battery in an iPhone." https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+14+Battery+Replacement/152966 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+14+Battery+Replacement/1...
        photonerd 3y ago
        You’re describing removing the rear glass (and it takes 30mins, tops, I’ve done it). Something that’s not covered by the EU legislation I might add. It literally says the following about removing the battery (emphasis mine) > Unfasten the battery connector cover screws and… > remove the single 1.0 mm-long screw securing the charging coil connector cover After that it’s just two easy to remove adhesive pull tabs to get the battery out (which would pass the test for user replaceable in the EU law). Complain about how hard it is to get the glass off, fine, but that’s got zilch to do with the EU law
        zufallsheld 3y ago
        > “A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it.” https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-b... If you need to use a heater to get access to the battery to remove it, this would probably be forbidden.
        photonerd 3y ago
        possibly, yes, it’s certainly an argument that could be made in court. However the battery itself can be removed without those. It’s the rear glass that can’t (currently, who knows in 4 years). Sounds hair splitting I know, but court cases are won & lost on less.
        3y ago
- bilegeek 3y ago
  This is good for the EU no doubt; but unfortunately they'll just make an EU-only variant just like Apple did with removable SIM cards.

Fortunately, it seems the EU will mandate removable batteries by 2027? Caveat: I haven’t done any research into that besides the headline, so YMMV. https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/new-eu-law-to-force-smartphone-makers-to-build-easily-replaceable-batteries https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/new-eu-law-to-forc...

judge2020 3y ago
It's not going to do something like require phones use clips again to hold the back on and hold the battery inside the housing. Apple's self-service repair program might already qualify.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
  We do have a useful invention called the screw. With every phone phablet sized nowadays there isn't a valid argument that they don't have room for waterproofed fasteners.
  - sneak 3y ago
    Screws are how in fact one accesses the battery in an iPhone.
    - judge2020 3y ago
      Obviously they should be using big ph1 screws
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      This post is misleading. Have you watched a YouTube video of what it takes to replace a battery in a modern, advanced mobile phone? Woah, that is a lot of glue. And, it is very tricky to do it right.
    - linooma_ 3y ago
      A 1-2 hour process which includes heating to soften glue, high potential of damaging internal components, or high potential of cracking some piece of glass is not "Screws are how in fact one accesses the battery in an iPhone." https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+14+Battery+Replacement/152966 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+14+Battery+Replacement/1...
      - photonerd 3y ago
        You’re describing removing the rear glass (and it takes 30mins, tops, I’ve done it). Something that’s not covered by the EU legislation I might add. It literally says the following about removing the battery (emphasis mine) > Unfasten the battery connector cover screws and… > remove the single 1.0 mm-long screw securing the charging coil connector cover After that it’s just two easy to remove adhesive pull tabs to get the battery out (which would pass the test for user replaceable in the EU law). Complain about how hard it is to get the glass off, fine, but that’s got zilch to do with the EU law
        zufallsheld 3y ago
        > “A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it.” https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-b... If you need to use a heater to get access to the battery to remove it, this would probably be forbidden.
        photonerd 3y ago
        possibly, yes, it’s certainly an argument that could be made in court. However the battery itself can be removed without those. It’s the rear glass that can’t (currently, who knows in 4 years). Sounds hair splitting I know, but court cases are won & lost on less.
        3y ago
bilegeek 3y ago
This is good for the EU no doubt; but unfortunately they'll just make an EU-only variant just like Apple did with removable SIM cards.