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It's funny. We have something like 10^5 machines all on CentOS and a decent chunk where support is important and we pay for RHEL as well. I've been through a f

It's funny. We have something like 10^5 machines all on CentOS and a decent chunk where support is important and we pay for RHEL as well. I've been through a few firms like this all operating this way since 2007 or so... We were looking at Rocky Linux, but that no longer makes sense in light of recent news. So along with moving all of that CentOS infrastructure to something else, it no longer makes sense to stick with RHEL either and they are now going to lose our money.

iDemonix 3y ago
Similar boat here, and know of many other companies in the same situation (although we chose Alma). We thought we were on a good proven path of paying for support where we need it, and using the downstream alternatives when we didn't. Turns out we should have more seriously considered a move to Debian... I'm not really shocked Red Hat are trying to squeeze more money out of their existing audience, everything they offer is eye-wateringly expensive nowadays. I almost choked when I got a quote back for the Ansible automation platform, before installing AWX for free.
- apple4ever 3y ago
  I think getting away from RH is probably the safest plan. AAP is crazy expensive, just like RHEL. I think they are going to lose a lot of customers and dollars due to this, both immediately and even more so later.
fariszr 3y ago
From Red hats point of view, RHEL shouldn't be an option without paying for it, it's why they stopped CentOS and now git.centos.org. And as mentioned in the article, people just using clones as free RHEL were way too many for the user/sales flow to be worth it. It's basically if a car company had a free car on every road, hoping it would drive people to buy a car for themselves, but people are just using it as their car, avoiding buying one because the free one exists.
- apple4ever 3y ago
  But as he says, that's not actually how it works. Lots of companies have RH on critical systems, and Cent/Rocky/Alma on less critical, because they can't afford to have RH everywhere. So why would you think they would now go RH everywhere, especially after losing Cent and having to switch to Rocky/Alma, instead of going to Debian/Ubuntu or SUSE and not having to worry about it? Not to mention that new admins and even current admins using Cent/Rocky/Alma at home to learn and play - now they can't. There definitely was a platform effect, and now they have killed it.
hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
Similar here, except we also have Ubuntu systems (and a few others). What happens next is very simple, it will just take some time.
raincom 3y ago
You must be paying support for 1000 machines, say $1M in total. Redhat wants at least $20M for 10^5 machines. Maybe, they don't want you as a customer.
apple4ever 3y ago
I'm not surprised this would be most people's decision. Why trust RedHat any more, when they've been shown to keep making things more expensive and harder for users? If you have to switch, just get away from them entirely.

iDemonix 3y ago

Similar boat here, and know of many other companies in the same situation (although we chose Alma). We thought we were on a good proven path of paying for support where we need it, and using the downstream alternatives when we didn't. Turns out we should have more seriously considered a move to Debian... I'm not really shocked Red Hat are trying to squeeze more money out of their existing audience, everything they offer is eye-wateringly expensive nowadays. I almost choked when I got a quote back for the Ansible automation platform, before installing AWX for free.

apple4ever 3y ago
I think getting away from RH is probably the safest plan. AAP is crazy expensive, just like RHEL. I think they are going to lose a lot of customers and dollars due to this, both immediately and even more so later.

fariszr 3y ago

From Red hats point of view, RHEL shouldn't be an option without paying for it, it's why they stopped CentOS and now git.centos.org. And as mentioned in the article, people just using clones as free RHEL were way too many for the user/sales flow to be worth it. It's basically if a car company had a free car on every road, hoping it would drive people to buy a car for themselves, but people are just using it as their car, avoiding buying one because the free one exists.

apple4ever 3y ago
But as he says, that's not actually how it works. Lots of companies have RH on critical systems, and Cent/Rocky/Alma on less critical, because they can't afford to have RH everywhere. So why would you think they would now go RH everywhere, especially after losing Cent and having to switch to Rocky/Alma, instead of going to Debian/Ubuntu or SUSE and not having to worry about it? Not to mention that new admins and even current admins using Cent/Rocky/Alma at home to learn and play - now they can't. There definitely was a platform effect, and now they have killed it.

hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago

Similar here, except we also have Ubuntu systems (and a few others). What happens next is very simple, it will just take some time.

raincom 3y ago

You must be paying support for 1000 machines, say $1M in total. Redhat wants at least $20M for 10^5 machines. Maybe, they don't want you as a customer.

apple4ever 3y ago

I'm not surprised this would be most people's decision. Why trust RedHat any more, when they've been shown to keep making things more expensive and harder for users? If you have to switch, just get away from them entirely.