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I hate Apple as much as any other large tech company, but 1/4 true emergency rate seems like a pretty good start in cases where a person's life may be at risk!

I hate Apple as much as any other large tech company, but 1/4 true emergency rate seems like a pretty good start in cases where a person's life may be at risk! Emergency services in my city (the one you call via phone) have a "true emergency" rate of about 1 in 10 according to emergency personnel I talked to, so it is always a matter of balancing the false positive/false negative rate.

Alupis 3y ago
Another way to look at it - 1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms. Seconds literally matter for many emergencies.
- HappyPanacea 3y ago
  This conclusion doesn't follow, it only makes sense if they are 100% busy all the time. I volunteered in an emergency ambulance a little bit and most of the time we waited in the waiting station.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  Another way to look at it - 1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms. Your position makes the assumption that the rest of the emergency services infrastructure is at maximum use at all times. The OP was talking about a place where they use volunteers, so it's not likely that they're constantly in use. While you are correct that seconds can sometimes matter, it's not always true. Not every emergency call is life-or-death. Not every emergency call even requires a response. Imaging a hypothetical world where every call is a true emergency, and emergency services are at 100% utilization 100% of the time is arguing just for the sake of arguing. I live in a place where emergency services is over-taxed. But I'd rather have actual lives saved with a certain number of false alarms than have people die because someone decided that perfection is the only option.
- kevinventullo 3y ago
  I don’t think that follows from their example at all.
- mahathu 3y ago
  "1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms." That would be even better, as that would mean 3/4 of the alarms are hits/non false-positives. I argue that even a 1/4 hit rate, i.e. 3/4 false positive rate, is a good start.
willcipriano 3y ago
The boy who cried wolf had a better rate 1/3.
delfinom 3y ago
911 is not well funded in the majority of the US. In many rural areas, one false call that requires EMS sent out could cause another person with a legitimate call to wait a hour or more.

Alupis 3y ago

Another way to look at it - 1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms. Seconds literally matter for many emergencies.

HappyPanacea 3y ago
This conclusion doesn't follow, it only makes sense if they are 100% busy all the time. I volunteered in an emergency ambulance a little bit and most of the time we waited in the waiting station.
reaperducer 3y ago
Another way to look at it - 1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms. Your position makes the assumption that the rest of the emergency services infrastructure is at maximum use at all times. The OP was talking about a place where they use volunteers, so it's not likely that they're constantly in use. While you are correct that seconds can sometimes matter, it's not always true. Not every emergency call is life-or-death. Not every emergency call even requires a response. Imaging a hypothetical world where every call is a true emergency, and emergency services are at 100% utilization 100% of the time is arguing just for the sake of arguing. I live in a place where emergency services is over-taxed. But I'd rather have actual lives saved with a certain number of false alarms than have people die because someone decided that perfection is the only option.
kevinventullo 3y ago
I don’t think that follows from their example at all.
mahathu 3y ago
"1/4 of the time people who needed emergency responders had to wait because they were busy looking into false alarms." That would be even better, as that would mean 3/4 of the alarms are hits/non false-positives. I argue that even a 1/4 hit rate, i.e. 3/4 false positive rate, is a good start.

willcipriano 3y ago

The boy who cried wolf had a better rate 1/3.

delfinom 3y ago

911 is not well funded in the majority of the US. In many rural areas, one false call that requires EMS sent out could cause another person with a legitimate call to wait a hour or more.