This middle ground of sorts is what I was alluding to with "a few specific scenarios". From what I recall Fedora is the distro of choice for Linus? So it's clea

This middle ground of sorts is what I was alluding to with "a few specific scenarios". From what I recall Fedora is the distro of choice for Linus? So it's clearly not completely terrible and I never said it was. That said, the creator of Linux is about as far as you can get from a typical/average user... Per usual HN there are plenty of conflicting anecdotal reports and wildly differing perspectives on my position here and as I noted in another reply I absolutely could not care any less when it comes to people selecting the best tool for their purposes/opinion/experience/worldview. Not being steeped in modern Red Hat (I have an RHCE cert for RedHat 8 around here somewhere) but having decades of experience across many other distros the difference in experience as a "new user" with Fedora was striking. Also note that "new user" isn't exactly accurate here either - the install process was great, the UI is clean, etc. However, as soon as I got off the beaten path the quality of experience (again, for me personally) dropped to among the poorest I've seen in years with Linux distros. Back to another anecdote for me, after decades I can count on one hand the number of times I thought "wow I could really stand to have a newer system python release" (as one example) - even when using pretty long in the tooth Ubuntu 20.04. I'm not saying that doesn't happen and doesn't have it's advantages. It's a good point generally but I'm as confused as I am because it's never been even remotely close to a deal-breaker in my decades of doing all kinds of random stuff (from embedded to desktop to server to cloud). I don't know what people are doing to call them "too out-of-date to be useful" but again that's just me - I'm sure you and others have plenty of reasons for this position. I've just never encountered anything close to it. Python specifically has such famous and nightmarish packaging and dependency issues I more times than not just throw everything into whatever official release Docker container for the version I need and call it a day. Great? No. Hacky? Yes. Practical? Absolutely.