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I don’t agree that it affects the worst perps less though. I think society has progressed enormously. I think strong men have significantly much less power than

I don’t agree that it affects the worst perps less though. I think society has progressed enormously. I think strong men have significantly much less power than they did before, both with respect to how women are treated and with respect to how men interact with other men. There is work to be done, and it is hardly universal, but it is much better. For example, you can’t just… grab and hump subordinate women in the workplace as a joke anymore in most areas. This is a kind of thing that is now so outrageous you will see people young people doubting that it was ever a normative thing. Or cliche locker room bullies. You’ve got someone in this comment thread denying that this was real because it’s so far from their experience. A large part of this is probably because being a strong white dude is not a good indicator of social power anymore because the economy is much harder. But narratives help.

haswell 3y ago
I agree that society has progressed enormously, and that there was a time where harsher attitudes about this were appropriate given the prevalence of these behaviors. It may be that during some time periods, the impact was not disproportionate. My point was that in the current social climate, it seems equally appropriate to reexamine this rhetoric, and direct focus to bad behavior. To your point, there are things you could never get away with today, and that is excellent. But it is that very progress that makes it questionable to perpetuate the same attitudes towards a younger generation, who will not have the contextual understanding to know why it was necessary, or how it relates to them and appropriate behavior relative to the current norm.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Perhaps. My gut says no, today’s youths should be more than capable of correctly identifying what is and what is not genuinely harmful behaviors. I don’t think toxic masculinity narratives are particularly prevalent or over saturated. Perhaps with the exception of California, not that I have any personal experience there.

haswell 3y ago

I agree that society has progressed enormously, and that there was a time where harsher attitudes about this were appropriate given the prevalence of these behaviors. It may be that during some time periods, the impact was not disproportionate. My point was that in the current social climate, it seems equally appropriate to reexamine this rhetoric, and direct focus to bad behavior. To your point, there are things you could never get away with today, and that is excellent. But it is that very progress that makes it questionable to perpetuate the same attitudes towards a younger generation, who will not have the contextual understanding to know why it was necessary, or how it relates to them and appropriate behavior relative to the current norm.

jncfhnb 3y ago
Perhaps. My gut says no, today’s youths should be more than capable of correctly identifying what is and what is not genuinely harmful behaviors. I don’t think toxic masculinity narratives are particularly prevalent or over saturated. Perhaps with the exception of California, not that I have any personal experience there.