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You make it sound so sinister, but this is how progress is made. As an example, OS X is so good now because Apple had the courage of their convictions to make b

by funkah 15y ago

You make it sound so sinister, but this is how progress is made. As an example, OS X is so good now because Apple had the courage of their convictions to make breaks with the past. I don't think it makes sense to expect an IDE released this year to support Windows XP. They changed the UI chrome because that's what they always do. You make these people sound like Gargamel for Christ's sake. They're just trying to make software.

acqq 15y ago
I absolutely don't expect the new VS IDE to run on XP but I certainly expect to be able to compile my program to an executable which can run on 50% of all PC's of the world.
- tylermenezes 15y ago
  They're trying to force those people to upgrade. I don't know if that's a good idea, but that's clearly their intent.
- funkah 15y ago
  OK, and I don't expect that. XP is obsolete, and if people want new software they can upgrade. If they don't, well, XP appears to be working just fine for those folks, doesn't it? This is how we move forward.
  - bh42222 15y ago
    >This is how we move forward. This is how a monopolist forces us to move forward. Good for them. Not so good for us.
    - moonchrome 15y ago
      AFAIK tools to develop for XP are free (VS express). They are certainly pushing you in their direction, but it's not an ultimatum by any standard.
    - recoiledsnake 15y ago
      Interesting, the only company in the world that bends over backwards for backwards compatibility gets slagged when they break it once while all the other software/hardware makers that drop support in a pinch get a free pass. What has a monopoly got to do with it anyway? Apple does it very frequently and EOLs software in a mere few years.
ComputerGuru 15y ago
It's all well and good to "break with the past" so long as what you end up with is an improvement. When the entire world is using your OS, the onus is on you to either make upgrades people will be happy to use (and then happy enough to pay for), or continue to support the last "proper" release you made that literally half your customers still use.
- funkah 15y ago
  You are essentially arguing that Windows Vista, 7, and 8 do not offer substantial improvements over XP. They do, though. But anyway, given their customer base and the history of their decisions, there's not a lot MS can do to make everyone happy. All they can really do at this point is make the best of a situation that is pretty crappy in a lot of respects. Bitching about it, however valid, seems sorta useless to me. The plane has already crashed into the goddamn mountain, to quote the Big Lebowski.
  - ComputerGuru 15y ago
    I'm not arguing that they don't offer improvements - they do, especially at the lowest levels with improved stacks, drivers, etc. The problem is that what the user sees hasn't improved in any proper way, and has in may ways actually regressed.
spwmoni 15y ago
And failing!

by funkah 15y ago

acqq 15y ago

I absolutely don't expect the new VS IDE to run on XP but I certainly expect to be able to compile my program to an executable which can run on 50% of all PC's of the world.

tylermenezes 15y ago
They're trying to force those people to upgrade. I don't know if that's a good idea, but that's clearly their intent.
funkah 15y ago
OK, and I don't expect that. XP is obsolete, and if people want new software they can upgrade. If they don't, well, XP appears to be working just fine for those folks, doesn't it? This is how we move forward.
- bh42222 15y ago
  >This is how we move forward. This is how a monopolist forces us to move forward. Good for them. Not so good for us.
  - moonchrome 15y ago
    AFAIK tools to develop for XP are free (VS express). They are certainly pushing you in their direction, but it's not an ultimatum by any standard.
  - recoiledsnake 15y ago
    Interesting, the only company in the world that bends over backwards for backwards compatibility gets slagged when they break it once while all the other software/hardware makers that drop support in a pinch get a free pass. What has a monopoly got to do with it anyway? Apple does it very frequently and EOLs software in a mere few years.

ComputerGuru 15y ago

It's all well and good to "break with the past" so long as what you end up with is an improvement. When the entire world is using your OS, the onus is on you to either make upgrades people will be happy to use (and then happy enough to pay for), or continue to support the last "proper" release you made that literally half your customers still use.

funkah 15y ago
You are essentially arguing that Windows Vista, 7, and 8 do not offer substantial improvements over XP. They do, though. But anyway, given their customer base and the history of their decisions, there's not a lot MS can do to make everyone happy. All they can really do at this point is make the best of a situation that is pretty crappy in a lot of respects. Bitching about it, however valid, seems sorta useless to me. The plane has already crashed into the goddamn mountain, to quote the Big Lebowski.
- ComputerGuru 15y ago
  I'm not arguing that they don't offer improvements - they do, especially at the lowest levels with improved stacks, drivers, etc. The problem is that what the user sees hasn't improved in any proper way, and has in may ways actually regressed.

spwmoni 15y ago

And failing!