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Do you really think the cleaner looks at every thing posted in the lab as he cleans? Very unlikely. Agreements require a meeting of the minds. The only idiots I

by rcme 3y ago

Do you really think the cleaner looks at every thing posted in the lab as he cleans? Very unlikely. Agreements require a meeting of the minds. The only idiots I see are the ones that lost decades of research.

justinclift 3y ago
Depends on the sign. I guess I'm assuming it'd be "something obvious" but that could indeed be a really dumb assumption on my part. :)
LorenPechtel 3y ago
As far as I'm concerned killing the breaker to mute an annoying alarm is malicious. While there certainly seems to be laxness in their precautions I think the primary blame goes to the cleaning company.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  The system was already in a failing state if an alarm was going off. It was being neglected. Letting your car alarm blare 24/7-- that's malicious. Anyone attempting to disable it is an aggrieved victim. You're reversing the roles of victim and offender. If the system was that vulnerable, area denial is step 1. Evacuation/remediation is step 2-3. Putting up a sign saying both "stay away" and "push this button" (that some Honduran or Dominican or whoever may not even be able to read in the first place) is well-intentioned but misguided. It's not the cleaner's fault they walked into a minefield. This wouldn't even be up for discussion if this were an open elevator shaft or arcing electrical panel. A problem existed-- fault is not attributable to whoever next encounters it. Right now, I have a degraded zpool that's lost 3/6 disks-- one more failure and it's toast. Putting my NAS on the circuit connected to the light switch (no UPS!), then blaming my wife for destroying all of my life's work when she so much as walks into a dark room is just sadistic irresponsibility. Teenage girls do this shit. It's bully logic.
  - jjk166 3y ago
    You don't get to break into someone's car and start cutting wires that may or may not be important just because their car alarm goes off.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    How about if you stick a sign over the top of the light switch saying "Please don't turn this off, there's an emergency with the NAS and I'll lose all the data if this switch gets turned off"? If she still turns it off anyway, you'd be forgiven for being a tad unhappy about it... ;)
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  Right, the reasonable “f this alarm” solution would have been to leave the building uncleaned and notify management that the alarm prevented cleaning.

by rcme 3y ago

justinclift 3y ago

Depends on the sign. I guess I'm assuming it'd be "something obvious" but that could indeed be a really dumb assumption on my part. :)

LorenPechtel 3y ago

As far as I'm concerned killing the breaker to mute an annoying alarm is malicious. While there certainly seems to be laxness in their precautions I think the primary blame goes to the cleaning company.

jstarfish 3y ago
The system was already in a failing state if an alarm was going off. It was being neglected. Letting your car alarm blare 24/7-- that's malicious. Anyone attempting to disable it is an aggrieved victim. You're reversing the roles of victim and offender. If the system was that vulnerable, area denial is step 1. Evacuation/remediation is step 2-3. Putting up a sign saying both "stay away" and "push this button" (that some Honduran or Dominican or whoever may not even be able to read in the first place) is well-intentioned but misguided. It's not the cleaner's fault they walked into a minefield. This wouldn't even be up for discussion if this were an open elevator shaft or arcing electrical panel. A problem existed-- fault is not attributable to whoever next encounters it. Right now, I have a degraded zpool that's lost 3/6 disks-- one more failure and it's toast. Putting my NAS on the circuit connected to the light switch (no UPS!), then blaming my wife for destroying all of my life's work when she so much as walks into a dark room is just sadistic irresponsibility. Teenage girls do this shit. It's bully logic.
- jjk166 3y ago
  You don't get to break into someone's car and start cutting wires that may or may not be important just because their car alarm goes off.
- justinclift 3y ago
  How about if you stick a sign over the top of the light switch saying "Please don't turn this off, there's an emergency with the NAS and I'll lose all the data if this switch gets turned off"? If she still turns it off anyway, you'd be forgiven for being a tad unhappy about it... ;)
pfannkuchen 3y ago
Right, the reasonable “f this alarm” solution would have been to leave the building uncleaned and notify management that the alarm prevented cleaning.