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Just watch a few CSB videos (among others) on YT to understand how some companies are run, when it comes to functional safety and ergonomics. This is unfortuna

Just watch a few CSB videos (among others) on YT to understand how some companies are run, when it comes to functional safety and ergonomics. This is unfortunately not taught everywhere apparently. Long story short, some companies would have done exactly the same management for something that would cause Armageddon. In the 80s in Paris, a train crashed when some train driver thought he was helpful by responding to an alarm and fixing the brakes himself instead of calling maintenance, and actually turned off the brakes because a poorly design switch made it look like the circuit was open. Plot twist, he was found to be not guilty of anything because company procedure were not clear. So a mere freezer probably went under the radar of management. In this case, a power loss could have been accidental as well. What if a fuse went out, or some unrelated piece if equipment caused an upstream GFCI to trip ? How can you trust a fridge and its power supply to protect 1M dollars for 20+ years, if 20 years worth of samples were destroyed? Power was just bound to be lost at some point in time, over a period of a few decades. (It even happens in datacenters) And some UPS would cost up to 2000$ ? Up to 500 more for the warning system to send a text ? IMO, functional safety should be a staple in university.

jstarfish 3y ago
> How can you trust a fridge and its power supply to protect 1M dollars for 20+ years, if 20 years worth of samples were destroyed? Power was just bound to be lost at some point in time, over a period of a few decades. (It even happens in datacenters) This very point makes the entire thing so ridiculous I'm not convinced this isn't the setup to outright fraud. Like a failing storeowner who starts making customers with children traverse the artisanal glasscraft section to get to the toy section. "Oopsies! You owe me $1M." I can't say this is about money (it's a university), but suspect maybe this project was doomed anyway and now its coordinator is staging sabotage to save face. The only thing that gives me pause is the thought that it's a little weird the cleaner was messing with the circuit breakers at all. The explanation offered makes little sense.
- 542354234235 3y ago
  The cleaner cut the power at the circuit breaker. It isn’t like they had an extension cable running through the middle of the room that they tripped over. In what world is that equivalent to “making customers with children traverse the artisanal glasscraft section to get to the toy section”? The RPI campus does have UPS and emergency generators because it is important, so the whole lab is protected from power failures. They put a sign on the fridge for the short period of time that the alarm was going off while waiting for repair just in case someone wanted to do something crazy, like pull the fridge out and unplug it. You can’t account for every single thing someone might do. What if instead of going to the circuit breaker to cut the power, he opened the fridge and pulled all the samples out so he could clean inside? Or did just unplug it? or something else stupid? I’m pretty sure there are a lot of businesses that would lose a lot of money if staff members started flipping off random circuit breakers to various systems and pieces of equipment.
  - hinata08 3y ago
    > You can’t account for every single thing someone might do. yes you can. It's called security, and it has been a booming industry since at least 4 decades. People will do stupid things because they think differently, have different things in mind,... Never wonder "if" they will do it, but "when" > if staff members started flipping off random circuit breakers If they are accessible to them then they shouldn't cause damage. Just lock the cabinet if nobody should touch them. A lock is 30$, isn't it? A tag with a phone number for maintainance is 5$ ? > They put a sign on the fridge So they knew they were 1 switch away from disaster, human intervention or not. I hope it had proper SIL rating, if they are mad now it failed. Either humans are nice and well intentioned but stupid, and it's a shame to blame them when they just tried. Or they're really evil, and then you need to protect the system from them. Anyways, it's stupid to blame workers afterwards. UPS should have been directly between the fridge and the wall, without switch in the middle. And it should have warned staff. If not, they had accepted the risk. The fridge was also already malfunctioning and required maintainance (hence the temperature alarm) So I'm surprise there was no monitoring whatsoever, just a sign, and now they are mad about its failure. It's not consistent.

jstarfish 3y ago

> How can you trust a fridge and its power supply to protect 1M dollars for 20+ years, if 20 years worth of samples were destroyed? Power was just bound to be lost at some point in time, over a period of a few decades. (It even happens in datacenters) This very point makes the entire thing so ridiculous I'm not convinced this isn't the setup to outright fraud. Like a failing storeowner who starts making customers with children traverse the artisanal glasscraft section to get to the toy section. "Oopsies! You owe me $1M." I can't say this is about money (it's a university), but suspect maybe this project was doomed anyway and now its coordinator is staging sabotage to save face. The only thing that gives me pause is the thought that it's a little weird the cleaner was messing with the circuit breakers at all. The explanation offered makes little sense.

542354234235 3y ago
The cleaner cut the power at the circuit breaker. It isn’t like they had an extension cable running through the middle of the room that they tripped over. In what world is that equivalent to “making customers with children traverse the artisanal glasscraft section to get to the toy section”? The RPI campus does have UPS and emergency generators because it is important, so the whole lab is protected from power failures. They put a sign on the fridge for the short period of time that the alarm was going off while waiting for repair just in case someone wanted to do something crazy, like pull the fridge out and unplug it. You can’t account for every single thing someone might do. What if instead of going to the circuit breaker to cut the power, he opened the fridge and pulled all the samples out so he could clean inside? Or did just unplug it? or something else stupid? I’m pretty sure there are a lot of businesses that would lose a lot of money if staff members started flipping off random circuit breakers to various systems and pieces of equipment.
- hinata08 3y ago
  > You can’t account for every single thing someone might do. yes you can. It's called security, and it has been a booming industry since at least 4 decades. People will do stupid things because they think differently, have different things in mind,... Never wonder "if" they will do it, but "when" > if staff members started flipping off random circuit breakers If they are accessible to them then they shouldn't cause damage. Just lock the cabinet if nobody should touch them. A lock is 30$, isn't it? A tag with a phone number for maintainance is 5$ ? > They put a sign on the fridge So they knew they were 1 switch away from disaster, human intervention or not. I hope it had proper SIL rating, if they are mad now it failed. Either humans are nice and well intentioned but stupid, and it's a shame to blame them when they just tried. Or they're really evil, and then you need to protect the system from them. Anyways, it's stupid to blame workers afterwards. UPS should have been directly between the fridge and the wall, without switch in the middle. And it should have warned staff. If not, they had accepted the risk. The fridge was also already malfunctioning and required maintainance (hence the temperature alarm) So I'm surprise there was no monitoring whatsoever, just a sign, and now they are mad about its failure. It's not consistent.