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You can't innocently take classified documents home.

by 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

mynameishere 3y ago
Can you innocently store them with your Corvette?
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  When I got my clearance, it was made very clear to me: If I take them home or store them with my Corvette or have them on my email server, I'm going to jail.
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  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    If you're POTUS or authorized by the POTUS things are different since they are the classification authority.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      There is still process you have to follow. Being president doesn't magically make you immune to rules and process. No, trump could not just "think they are declassified and they are", and that's not how it works, and he knew that.
      - lesuorac 3y ago
        Well, it really does work that way. The classification stems from a series of executive orders [1] which long post-date things such as the Espionage Act. The thing is that Biden is the president not Trump so Biden could declassify everything at Mar-a-lago but Trump can't. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_...
  - lesuorac 3y ago
    Politicians don't sign any NDAs to get their clearances; they have a separate process. This is why they're so willing to leak things as they don't actually suffer any repercussions (besides electability).
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lesuorac 3y ago
Except you can? Have you never taken personal notes on a piece of paper near your desk only to notice that you wrote down some work information on it elsewhere? Granted TFA is not about an accident but you can accidentally take documents home just like you can accidentally walk into a SCIF with a wireless microphone (your cellphone).
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  By innocent I mean lawful, not benign, since it is unlawful to take them home.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  No, you can't. You could accidentally take classified documents/information out of a SCIF, but not innocently. This is a strict liability offense, so it being an accident doesn't make you innocent. If it weren't so, then every spy trying to exfiltrate documents would do it 'accidentally'. "Oops, I accidentally put the wrong documents into my bag. Oops, I accidentally left the bag on a bus where, completely unknown to me, that Russian agent with a diplomatic passport picked it up. Terrible mistake, but you can't prove I meant for this to happen." It doesn't work like that; even if it was a genuine accident that doesn't get you out of trouble.

You can't innocently take classified documents home.

mynameishere 3y ago

Can you innocently store them with your Corvette?

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
When I got my clearance, it was made very clear to me: If I take them home or store them with my Corvette or have them on my email server, I'm going to jail.
- deleted 3y ago
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  If you're POTUS or authorized by the POTUS things are different since they are the classification authority.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    There is still process you have to follow. Being president doesn't magically make you immune to rules and process. No, trump could not just "think they are declassified and they are", and that's not how it works, and he knew that.
    - lesuorac 3y ago
      Well, it really does work that way. The classification stems from a series of executive orders [1] which long post-date things such as the Espionage Act. The thing is that Biden is the president not Trump so Biden could declassify everything at Mar-a-lago but Trump can't. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_...
- lesuorac 3y ago
  Politicians don't sign any NDAs to get their clearances; they have a separate process. This is why they're so willing to leak things as they don't actually suffer any repercussions (besides electability).
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lesuorac 3y ago

Except you can? Have you never taken personal notes on a piece of paper near your desk only to notice that you wrote down some work information on it elsewhere? Granted TFA is not about an accident but you can accidentally take documents home just like you can accidentally walk into a SCIF with a wireless microphone (your cellphone).

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
By innocent I mean lawful, not benign, since it is unlawful to take them home.
mcpackieh 3y ago
No, you can't. You could accidentally take classified documents/information out of a SCIF, but not innocently. This is a strict liability offense, so it being an accident doesn't make you innocent. If it weren't so, then every spy trying to exfiltrate documents would do it 'accidentally'. "Oops, I accidentally put the wrong documents into my bag. Oops, I accidentally left the bag on a bus where, completely unknown to me, that Russian agent with a diplomatic passport picked it up. Terrible mistake, but you can't prove I meant for this to happen." It doesn't work like that; even if it was a genuine accident that doesn't get you out of trouble.