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> They get scared and even sob and cry because they know their death is imminent. Citation needed, beyond you being overly dramatic? I’ve seen cows get slaugh

> They get scared and even sob and cry because they know their death is imminent. Citation needed, beyond you being overly dramatic? I’ve seen cows get slaughtered and I’m mostly vegetarian (let’s call it meat-light). What’s remarkably common is humans inventing stories to drive their agenda. I don’t know why you’re really bringing up this point, especially like this, beyond trying to get into flame bait territory…

_8j50 3y ago
> Citation needed, beyond you being overly dramatic? Firsthand experience lol. Perhaps slaughterhouses medicate them in a commercial setting? No idea. I brought up the point because we do it anyways despite the fear and terror in those creatures so we can get a tasty meal. I don't really want to look up videos of animals getting slaughtered but there are places where you can buy the animal and slaughter it yourself. Go ahead and try it and see for yourself. For me, not just their panic cry but as the knife cuts through the throat they scream+gargle through the blood. Hard to get that image out of my head. But like I said, I eat meat, I am not better than anyone in that regard.
- BenjiWiebe 3y ago
  At least in the USA, they usually use a metal bolt to the head to kill the cow. A sudden impact. I don't think they gargle through the blood then.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    Historically and even in current times, killing without shedding blood or without cutting thrhough the neck and beheading the animal is considered improper, taboo or defiling it in many cultures. What you said about commercial slaughterhouses is probably true, I've heard they wring chicken necks to break them as well. The problem with that is , it feels like you are slaughtering after killing as opposed to slaughtering as part of killing. I don't really know the specifics more than what people have told me but it is hugely frowned upon to not spill blood right away. May have something to do with how ritual animal sacrifice in many cultures required the animal's blood to be spilled into something and the blood of an already dead animal is not ok? Keep in mind, modern animal killing has to be "humane" as in be acceptable to people who never get close enough to see that stuff. Similar to capital punishment I suppose. The concept of an honorable/respectful killing is strange to modern western minds who only care about minimizing pain as a measure of cruelty.

_8j50 3y ago

> Citation needed, beyond you being overly dramatic? Firsthand experience lol. Perhaps slaughterhouses medicate them in a commercial setting? No idea. I brought up the point because we do it anyways despite the fear and terror in those creatures so we can get a tasty meal. I don't really want to look up videos of animals getting slaughtered but there are places where you can buy the animal and slaughter it yourself. Go ahead and try it and see for yourself. For me, not just their panic cry but as the knife cuts through the throat they scream+gargle through the blood. Hard to get that image out of my head. But like I said, I eat meat, I am not better than anyone in that regard.

BenjiWiebe 3y ago
At least in the USA, they usually use a metal bolt to the head to kill the cow. A sudden impact. I don't think they gargle through the blood then.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Historically and even in current times, killing without shedding blood or without cutting thrhough the neck and beheading the animal is considered improper, taboo or defiling it in many cultures. What you said about commercial slaughterhouses is probably true, I've heard they wring chicken necks to break them as well. The problem with that is , it feels like you are slaughtering after killing as opposed to slaughtering as part of killing. I don't really know the specifics more than what people have told me but it is hugely frowned upon to not spill blood right away. May have something to do with how ritual animal sacrifice in many cultures required the animal's blood to be spilled into something and the blood of an already dead animal is not ok? Keep in mind, modern animal killing has to be "humane" as in be acceptable to people who never get close enough to see that stuff. Similar to capital punishment I suppose. The concept of an honorable/respectful killing is strange to modern western minds who only care about minimizing pain as a measure of cruelty.