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MS was fined because it had an enormous market share in personal computing, making it practically a monopoly. Apple is nowhere near that.

by tgv 3y ago

postalrat 3y ago
Apple has a sizable share of the mobile market in the USA and EU and what they are doing goes well beyond what MS did in the past.
- veave 3y ago
  They don't even have half the market in the EU. They aren't a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.
- photonerd 3y ago
  They have 31% of the market, not even a third. They’re not even in the same league as what MS was doing. At the time of the EU vs MS suit they had a 91% market share, and had only recently come down from a fraction over 95% THAT is why the EU took action. Apple isn’t in a monopoly position in phones at all, they’re not even the dominant OS. What they are, is the one that makes the most money.
  - newaccount74 3y ago
    You are right that Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. But that does not mean that their behaviour is not anti-competitive.
    - photonerd 3y ago
      Almost all companies behavior is anti-competitive in some way. They rarely (tho occasionally) try to promote competition. Requiring Play services so much is anti-competitive by Google. Anti-competitive behavior isn’t, by itself, an issue. At least… it’s only an issue ideologically speaking.
- SllX 3y ago
  As far as EU jurisdiction goes the only stat that matters is the EU. If Apple had 100% of market share in the US, the EU would still have no governing power. Based off what I found through a quick search, in Q4 2022 Apple has 29% of smartphone shipment and they have about 38% of mobile OS share. Not tiny, but not dominating the market. Back when Microsoft was being prosecuted, they had >95% of desktop OS share, approaching 99% in some places, and they were accused of leveraging that to muscle out paid-for software vendors that sold directly competing software (both operating systems through exclusivity agreements with OEMs and application software on Windows).

MS was fined because it had an enormous market share in personal computing, making it practically a monopoly. Apple is nowhere near that.

by tgv 3y ago

MS was fined because it had an enormous market share in personal computing, making it practically a monopoly. Apple is nowhere near that.

postalrat 3y ago

Apple has a sizable share of the mobile market in the USA and EU and what they are doing goes well beyond what MS did in the past.

veave 3y ago
They don't even have half the market in the EU. They aren't a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.
photonerd 3y ago
They have 31% of the market, not even a third. They’re not even in the same league as what MS was doing. At the time of the EU vs MS suit they had a 91% market share, and had only recently come down from a fraction over 95% THAT is why the EU took action. Apple isn’t in a monopoly position in phones at all, they’re not even the dominant OS. What they are, is the one that makes the most money.
- newaccount74 3y ago
  You are right that Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. But that does not mean that their behaviour is not anti-competitive.
  - photonerd 3y ago
    Almost all companies behavior is anti-competitive in some way. They rarely (tho occasionally) try to promote competition. Requiring Play services so much is anti-competitive by Google. Anti-competitive behavior isn’t, by itself, an issue. At least… it’s only an issue ideologically speaking.
SllX 3y ago
As far as EU jurisdiction goes the only stat that matters is the EU. If Apple had 100% of market share in the US, the EU would still have no governing power. Based off what I found through a quick search, in Q4 2022 Apple has 29% of smartphone shipment and they have about 38% of mobile OS share. Not tiny, but not dominating the market. Back when Microsoft was being prosecuted, they had >95% of desktop OS share, approaching 99% in some places, and they were accused of leveraging that to muscle out paid-for software vendors that sold directly competing software (both operating systems through exclusivity agreements with OEMs and application software on Windows).