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The point is that this is a stupid decision. It will turn people off Red Hat, and at the same time it’s incredibly annoying and inconvenient for a large number

The point is that this is a stupid decision. It will turn people off Red Hat, and at the same time it’s incredibly annoying and inconvenient for a large number of Rocky/Alma/etc users.

dmix 3y ago
> It will turn people off Red Hat Will it turn paying customers off Red Hat? (Honest question)
- NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
  No (paying Red Hat customer).
- Yeroc 3y ago
  Most likely yes. Can't speak for other organizations but the one I work for licenses RHEL on our critical servers and uses CentOS/Alma on all non-critical infrastructure. Obviously the reason that is done is because it's easy to support what's essentially a single OS. With this new change, if Alma/Rocky go away we'll be looking at either Suse or Ubuntu most likely and RHEL will go away completely to be replaced with the licensed equivalents of Suse or Ubuntu so that we only need to support a single OS.
  - pnutjam 3y ago
    OpenSuse LEAP is 100% binary compatible with SLES. You can build an entire dev environment with LEAP, clone it and run a script to make it SLES. Ubuntu is pushing snaps to hard IMHO. Suse is moving towards immutable OS with flatpacks, but doing so in a much more responsible manner that is not trying to lock down the ecosystem.
- fariszr 3y ago
  Current customers? Probably not, but it will hamper the flow of future customers for sure.
- janosdebugs 3y ago
  No, it won't unless the customer is also using upstream stuff elsewhere. But it will close an avenue of new customer acquisition. Can't say how often, but it happened that someone needed support for an upstream software (which is a big no-no) and ended up buying a downstream license.
- Stranger43 3y ago
  Not directly but it might cause some upstream vendors and projects to rethink weather they want to recommend Red Hat as preferred platform and if the hosting vendors turn off the Red Hat clones that's going to ripple back to Red Hat, as a lot of corporate linux users will gravitate to the distro that's recommended by the application vendors. Part of how canonical challenged Red Hat is that they deliberately made it really easy for a developer to run Ubuntu on their workstation and test environments.
  - LaSombra 3y ago
    I'm still waiting on their IPO to find out how well this strategy is working for them.

The point is that this is a stupid decision. It will turn people off Red Hat, and at the same time it’s incredibly annoying and inconvenient for a large number of Rocky/Alma/etc users.

dmix 3y ago

> It will turn people off Red Hat Will it turn paying customers off Red Hat? (Honest question)

NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
No (paying Red Hat customer).
Yeroc 3y ago
Most likely yes. Can't speak for other organizations but the one I work for licenses RHEL on our critical servers and uses CentOS/Alma on all non-critical infrastructure. Obviously the reason that is done is because it's easy to support what's essentially a single OS. With this new change, if Alma/Rocky go away we'll be looking at either Suse or Ubuntu most likely and RHEL will go away completely to be replaced with the licensed equivalents of Suse or Ubuntu so that we only need to support a single OS.
- pnutjam 3y ago
  OpenSuse LEAP is 100% binary compatible with SLES. You can build an entire dev environment with LEAP, clone it and run a script to make it SLES. Ubuntu is pushing snaps to hard IMHO. Suse is moving towards immutable OS with flatpacks, but doing so in a much more responsible manner that is not trying to lock down the ecosystem.
fariszr 3y ago
Current customers? Probably not, but it will hamper the flow of future customers for sure.
janosdebugs 3y ago
No, it won't unless the customer is also using upstream stuff elsewhere. But it will close an avenue of new customer acquisition. Can't say how often, but it happened that someone needed support for an upstream software (which is a big no-no) and ended up buying a downstream license.
Stranger43 3y ago
Not directly but it might cause some upstream vendors and projects to rethink weather they want to recommend Red Hat as preferred platform and if the hosting vendors turn off the Red Hat clones that's going to ripple back to Red Hat, as a lot of corporate linux users will gravitate to the distro that's recommended by the application vendors. Part of how canonical challenged Red Hat is that they deliberately made it really easy for a developer to run Ubuntu on their workstation and test environments.
- LaSombra 3y ago
  I'm still waiting on their IPO to find out how well this strategy is working for them.