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>>> which makes sense, as men are designed for survival Evolution doesn't only "design" a single sex for survival. (With the possible, arguable exception of s

>>> which makes sense, as men are designed for survival Evolution doesn't only "design" a single sex for survival. (With the possible, arguable exception of some insect species.)

yarg 3y ago
No, but it designed men with very few compromises (as far as auto-adversarial hill-climbing algorithms go). Women are structured as a compromise between their own needs and the needs of their children.
- anotherman554 3y ago
  Women live longer than men on average so this line of thinking that men are optimized for survival, as opposed to women, is pretty darn silly. (Neither is more or less optimized.)
  - yarg 3y ago
    Expected lifespan and the ability to survive dangerous situations are two very different things. If you think for an instant that men and women aren't optimised for very different scenarios, then think harder. Seriously, you can tell just by looking at us. Or do you think that child bearing hips and big vulnerable mammaries are useful things to have in situations that call for physical action (other than birthing and feeding infants)?
    - anotherman554 3y ago
      Among gorillas and baboons, species in which males fight for reproductive opportunities feature males twice as big as females, while among pair- bonded gibbons that fight much less, males are just 10 percent bigger than females. As I understand it men have greater strength because they are optimized to fight other men for reproductive opportunity. This doesn't increase their opportunities for survival since fighting other men can get you killed. It increases their opportunities to reproduce. Our advantages in a hostile environmental come from building tools not physical strength. If physical strength was important a male human would not be 5 times weaker than a gorilla. So no, I would not say men are "designed" to survive on an island better than women, or whatever. They are designed to fight other men in a zero sum game.
      - yarg 3y ago
        You seem hell bent on asserting some false equivalency between the physical prowess of men and women. What possible reason you'd have for making such patently ridiculous claims is truly beyond me. > So no, I would not say men are "designed" to survive on an island better than women, or whatever. They are designed to fight other men in a zero sum game. False dichotomy. Also, what fraction of explorers do you think were men? Pretty much fucking all of them. We don't get pregnant, so having children is not a physical inconvenience and (as I mentioned elsewhere) half of us can die without impacting the next generation's population. If you think that men and women had the same evolutionary imperative to develop the skills required for navigating strange environments then you're not adequately considering the innumerable trade-offs involved.
        anotherman554 3y ago
        Do explorers survive better than people who migrate to new locations with their families, or something?
        yarg 3y ago
        > Do explorers survive better than people who migrate to new locations with their families, or something? No, they die far more often. Because they enter unknown risky situations. Humans explore in search of new lands and resources, and in search of safe paths. When they take the more vulnerable members of the tribe, they generally have a better idea of where they're going, what the path is, and what risks are involved. If a path is too dangerous then they don't tend to take pregnant women and small children. So because it is primarily adult or adolescent males that go on the more risky adventures, they're the ones that have the costly adaptations required to maximise the likelihood of survival.
        anotherman554 3y ago
        Now show me the records from 300,000 years ago that you based your above post on.
      - 3y ago

>>> which makes sense, as men are designed for survival Evolution doesn't only "design" a single sex for survival. (With the possible, arguable exception of some insect species.)

yarg 3y ago

No, but it designed men with very few compromises (as far as auto-adversarial hill-climbing algorithms go). Women are structured as a compromise between their own needs and the needs of their children.

anotherman554 3y ago
Women live longer than men on average so this line of thinking that men are optimized for survival, as opposed to women, is pretty darn silly. (Neither is more or less optimized.)
- yarg 3y ago
  Expected lifespan and the ability to survive dangerous situations are two very different things. If you think for an instant that men and women aren't optimised for very different scenarios, then think harder. Seriously, you can tell just by looking at us. Or do you think that child bearing hips and big vulnerable mammaries are useful things to have in situations that call for physical action (other than birthing and feeding infants)?
  - anotherman554 3y ago
    Among gorillas and baboons, species in which males fight for reproductive opportunities feature males twice as big as females, while among pair- bonded gibbons that fight much less, males are just 10 percent bigger than females. As I understand it men have greater strength because they are optimized to fight other men for reproductive opportunity. This doesn't increase their opportunities for survival since fighting other men can get you killed. It increases their opportunities to reproduce. Our advantages in a hostile environmental come from building tools not physical strength. If physical strength was important a male human would not be 5 times weaker than a gorilla. So no, I would not say men are "designed" to survive on an island better than women, or whatever. They are designed to fight other men in a zero sum game.
    - yarg 3y ago
      You seem hell bent on asserting some false equivalency between the physical prowess of men and women. What possible reason you'd have for making such patently ridiculous claims is truly beyond me. > So no, I would not say men are "designed" to survive on an island better than women, or whatever. They are designed to fight other men in a zero sum game. False dichotomy. Also, what fraction of explorers do you think were men? Pretty much fucking all of them. We don't get pregnant, so having children is not a physical inconvenience and (as I mentioned elsewhere) half of us can die without impacting the next generation's population. If you think that men and women had the same evolutionary imperative to develop the skills required for navigating strange environments then you're not adequately considering the innumerable trade-offs involved.
      - anotherman554 3y ago
        Do explorers survive better than people who migrate to new locations with their families, or something?
        yarg 3y ago
        > Do explorers survive better than people who migrate to new locations with their families, or something? No, they die far more often. Because they enter unknown risky situations. Humans explore in search of new lands and resources, and in search of safe paths. When they take the more vulnerable members of the tribe, they generally have a better idea of where they're going, what the path is, and what risks are involved. If a path is too dangerous then they don't tend to take pregnant women and small children. So because it is primarily adult or adolescent males that go on the more risky adventures, they're the ones that have the costly adaptations required to maximise the likelihood of survival.
        anotherman554 3y ago
        Now show me the records from 300,000 years ago that you based your above post on.
    - 3y ago