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> You may well say so, but it is a novel use of an existing word, So what? The way we use words changes all the time. We discovered that we want to differentia

by esarbe 3y ago

> You may well say so, but it is a novel use of an existing word, So what? The way we use words changes all the time. We discovered that we want to differentiate between the innate sexual reproductive capabilities and their expression in society, now we use words differently. That's what language does; it changes with time. > If you lose your genitals in an accident that doesn't make you asexual You don't have to go as far as accidents; menopausal woman lose their ability to produce gametes. They lose their sexual reproductive capabilities. Does it make sense to speak of a sex if you don't have sexual reproductive capabilities? Seems weird to me. Additionally; there have always been differences in how various cultures expressed sexual identity. And what seems effeminate in one society is seen as manly in another one; expression of sexual identity and sexual identity are two different things. We're not dung beetles that only have instinctive behavior; we also have cultural and individual behaviors that are added to that. That's why it makes sense to me to differentiate between sex and gender.

brigandish 3y ago
> So what? No one has to accept it, that’s what’s what. > You don't have to go as far as accidents; menopausal woman lose their ability to produce gametes. They lose their sexual reproductive capabilities. Does it make sense to speak of a sex if you don't have sexual reproductive capabilities? Seems weird to me. Pre-pubescent boys do not produce gametes either but that doesn’t stop them being male. A male cannot produce large gametes but may not ever produce small gametes or may never again, and the opposite for females. Whether that’s weird or not to you has no bearing on anything but your ability to process the logic, that’s the way it is.
- esarbe 3y ago
  > No one has to accept it, that’s what’s what. Sure; language is an agreement. No one can force you to communicate clearly and if it is your desire, you can go all day long babbling nonsensical syllables. No one can stop you; do as your heart commands you. > Pre-pubescent boys do not produce gametes either but that doesn’t stop them being male. So, you're arguing that we should not only consider the current state of an organism to determine its sex but rather the normal lifecycle and what kind of gametes the organism would have produced? Sure, we can go with that, if you prefer that. Does it change anything?
  - brigandish 3y ago
    I’m not arguing anything, that is the definition, based on current understanding that just so happens to align perfectly with observations of reality. It’s going to take a miracle of the sort that starts religions to change that, although it seems that there are plenty willing to believe already.
    - esarbe 3y ago
      You might want to have a look here for the complete definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex I again ask; does it change anything?
      - brigandish 3y ago
        Did you seriously post an entire Wikipedia article? I gave you the definition of anisogamety, from something a bit better than Wikipedia, but since this is the level we're at, from [1]: > Anisogamy is a form of sexual reproduction that involves the union or fusion of two gametes that differ in size and/or form. The smaller gamete is male, a sperm cell, whereas the larger gamete is female, typically an egg cell. Anisogamy is predominant among multicellular organisms. In both plants and animals gamete size difference is the fundamental difference between females and males. It goes on: > Anisogamy is a core element of sexual dimorphism that helps explain phenotypic differences between sexes. I hope this is the end of this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisogamy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisogamy
        esarbe 3y ago
        No, I didn't post an entire Wikipedia article; I posted a link to an entire Wikipedia article. But anyhow; I still don't see why your distinction between the formulations of > If you don't have the capacity to produce functional gametes, you're asexual. and > In both plants and animals gamete size difference is the fundamental difference between females and males. makes any difference to the argument I made, namely: > It makes sense to differentiate between sex and gender Does it make any difference? Thanks!

by esarbe 3y ago

brigandish 3y ago

> So what? No one has to accept it, that’s what’s what. > You don't have to go as far as accidents; menopausal woman lose their ability to produce gametes. They lose their sexual reproductive capabilities. Does it make sense to speak of a sex if you don't have sexual reproductive capabilities? Seems weird to me. Pre-pubescent boys do not produce gametes either but that doesn’t stop them being male. A male cannot produce large gametes but may not ever produce small gametes or may never again, and the opposite for females. Whether that’s weird or not to you has no bearing on anything but your ability to process the logic, that’s the way it is.

esarbe 3y ago
> No one has to accept it, that’s what’s what. Sure; language is an agreement. No one can force you to communicate clearly and if it is your desire, you can go all day long babbling nonsensical syllables. No one can stop you; do as your heart commands you. > Pre-pubescent boys do not produce gametes either but that doesn’t stop them being male. So, you're arguing that we should not only consider the current state of an organism to determine its sex but rather the normal lifecycle and what kind of gametes the organism would have produced? Sure, we can go with that, if you prefer that. Does it change anything?
- brigandish 3y ago
  I’m not arguing anything, that is the definition, based on current understanding that just so happens to align perfectly with observations of reality. It’s going to take a miracle of the sort that starts religions to change that, although it seems that there are plenty willing to believe already.
  - esarbe 3y ago
    You might want to have a look here for the complete definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex I again ask; does it change anything?
    - brigandish 3y ago
      Did you seriously post an entire Wikipedia article? I gave you the definition of anisogamety, from something a bit better than Wikipedia, but since this is the level we're at, from [1]: > Anisogamy is a form of sexual reproduction that involves the union or fusion of two gametes that differ in size and/or form. The smaller gamete is male, a sperm cell, whereas the larger gamete is female, typically an egg cell. Anisogamy is predominant among multicellular organisms. In both plants and animals gamete size difference is the fundamental difference between females and males. It goes on: > Anisogamy is a core element of sexual dimorphism that helps explain phenotypic differences between sexes. I hope this is the end of this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisogamy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisogamy
      - esarbe 3y ago
        No, I didn't post an entire Wikipedia article; I posted a link to an entire Wikipedia article. But anyhow; I still don't see why your distinction between the formulations of > If you don't have the capacity to produce functional gametes, you're asexual. and > In both plants and animals gamete size difference is the fundamental difference between females and males. makes any difference to the argument I made, namely: > It makes sense to differentiate between sex and gender Does it make any difference? Thanks!