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> > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is clos

> > After every charge and boot sequence, the phone reminds the user to preserve the IP67 rating by securing the back cover and making sure the USB flap is closed. This reminder gets old fast, but is necessary considering how rushed and absentminded people can be So because some people are absent-minded and don't pay attention to what they do (and it's not like you need to take off the cover every day and twice on Sunday), we should all suffer the consequences? Don't quite like that mindset. > On top of that, to get a reputable battery for it that includes NFC support (because the NFC was built into the battery) was not that much cheaper than just taking an iPhone to an authorized dealer for replacement. This is correct. A Samsung battery from a reputable store in France cost approximately the same as a replacement for my iPhone 7. Maybe a bit more, accounting for inflation. But the experience of having my iPhone battery replaced was ridiculously bad. I had an appointment for the service, booked through the Apple website for a "certified" repair shop. Still had to wait in line for 30 minutes before I could drop off my phone. They required me to give them the phone's password for some reason, which required me to remove apple pay and whatnot from the phone before going into the store, then put it back on once I had my phone back. After taking in the phone for repair, they figured it would take about 6 hours, so they'd let me know it was done by... SMS. Right. So, I asked them to give me a time when they'd be sure it'd be done, since my phone would be with them. I come back at the agreed time, to wait for another 20 minutes in line. The Samsung experience was walk in the store, ask the attendant where their batteries were, wait 5 minutes for him to grab it from stock (it wasn't a current model anymore at that time), go to the cashier, pay, pop the cover, switch batteries, put cover back, done. So yeah, the issue is absolutely not one of price, but of convenience. Note that I could have bought two batteries and had a spare one when needed on my motorbike trips, instead of carrying an external battery pack or whatever.

scarface_74 3y ago
> So because some people are absent-minded and don't pay attention to what they do (and it's not like you need to take off the cover every day and twice on Sunday), we should all suffer the consequences? Don't quite like that mindset. So people aren’t intelligent enough to choose phones with replaceable batteries and the EU should regulate it. But people should be intelligent enough to deal with badly designed phones that if you don’t do things just right you lose water resistance?
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  The issue is that the choice is vanishing, and the point of this thread is that it's likely not because of valid technical reasons (you could already get slim and waterproof with a removable back several years ago). Honest question: do you know of any high-end phone with a replaceable battery? I know iphones don't have them, the Galaxy S line has lost it starting with the 6. The Asus Zenfone doesn't have it. Sonys don't. One Plus doesn't. I'm not famialiar with lower-end models, but I know the Galaxy A33 doesn't have a removable battery either. And this is also spreading to other electronics, such as laptops. My 2013 MBP had a glued battery. I was able to change it after like 20 minutes of scraping that crap. That laptop was thicker than my current "ultrabook" which has a screwed battery pack (though it says it's not user replaceable - since it's new I didn't try to take it out yet, so I may be in for a surprise). There was ample space in the MBP for a bunch of screws under the back cover, and it wouldn't have interfered with aesthetics or anything else.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    That’s just the thing, there are valid technical reasons. Apple alone sells 200 million phones a year. If even five percent of people don’t secure the battery properly or the battery cover isn’t reliable after repeated removal - which happen to older phones back in the day - it affects a lot of people. There weren’t that many reports in the west for instance about the physical home button being unreliable. But that did become a problem in places like China where older iPhones are bought and sold in the refurb market to a point where they were turning on accessibility options to have a soft home button on the screen to keep wear and tear down on the home button. Can you imagine how much less reliable at scale a physical removable battery door will be over the five or six year possible lifetime of an iPhone? Apple claims to have over 1 billion iPhones in use. And that’s an exaggeration. Apple has historically provided OS updates for five years and the 2013 iPhone 5s got a security update earlier this year. I am a lot more sympathetic to wanting a replaceable battery in a laptop. While I can just click on “backup” of my iPhone, erase it before I take it in for service and restore it back, that isn’t so simple with a computer. Heck when my work MacBook battery needs replacing, I have no idea what they are going to do since we have a four year replacement cycle. Will they ship me a replacement MacBook temporarily?

scarface_74 3y ago

> So because some people are absent-minded and don't pay attention to what they do (and it's not like you need to take off the cover every day and twice on Sunday), we should all suffer the consequences? Don't quite like that mindset. So people aren’t intelligent enough to choose phones with replaceable batteries and the EU should regulate it. But people should be intelligent enough to deal with badly designed phones that if you don’t do things just right you lose water resistance?

vladvasiliu 3y ago
The issue is that the choice is vanishing, and the point of this thread is that it's likely not because of valid technical reasons (you could already get slim and waterproof with a removable back several years ago). Honest question: do you know of any high-end phone with a replaceable battery? I know iphones don't have them, the Galaxy S line has lost it starting with the 6. The Asus Zenfone doesn't have it. Sonys don't. One Plus doesn't. I'm not famialiar with lower-end models, but I know the Galaxy A33 doesn't have a removable battery either. And this is also spreading to other electronics, such as laptops. My 2013 MBP had a glued battery. I was able to change it after like 20 minutes of scraping that crap. That laptop was thicker than my current "ultrabook" which has a screwed battery pack (though it says it's not user replaceable - since it's new I didn't try to take it out yet, so I may be in for a surprise). There was ample space in the MBP for a bunch of screws under the back cover, and it wouldn't have interfered with aesthetics or anything else.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  That’s just the thing, there are valid technical reasons. Apple alone sells 200 million phones a year. If even five percent of people don’t secure the battery properly or the battery cover isn’t reliable after repeated removal - which happen to older phones back in the day - it affects a lot of people. There weren’t that many reports in the west for instance about the physical home button being unreliable. But that did become a problem in places like China where older iPhones are bought and sold in the refurb market to a point where they were turning on accessibility options to have a soft home button on the screen to keep wear and tear down on the home button. Can you imagine how much less reliable at scale a physical removable battery door will be over the five or six year possible lifetime of an iPhone? Apple claims to have over 1 billion iPhones in use. And that’s an exaggeration. Apple has historically provided OS updates for five years and the 2013 iPhone 5s got a security update earlier this year. I am a lot more sympathetic to wanting a replaceable battery in a laptop. While I can just click on “backup” of my iPhone, erase it before I take it in for service and restore it back, that isn’t so simple with a computer. Heck when my work MacBook battery needs replacing, I have no idea what they are going to do since we have a four year replacement cycle. Will they ship me a replacement MacBook temporarily?