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> If the "wrong" groups have something to offer in the way of second fathers, maybe their values aren't as bad as expected. Nobody wants to even consider that.

> If the "wrong" groups have something to offer in the way of second fathers, maybe their values aren't as bad as expected. Nobody wants to even consider that. If only The Bad Guys are making sense about some issues, what else might they be correct on? Some of those “wrong groups” are just flat out scammers and charlatans though - see those “alpha male” influencers hawking their courses or whatever. They are taking advantage of a need in others to enrich themselves without really giving a damn about their charges.

iamacyborg 3y ago
Two examples immediately spring to mind, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson. I’m sure both have had some moderately useful things to say at some stage of their life for some folks, but a quick look at their Twitter profile tells you everything you really need to know now.
- TwentyPosts 3y ago
  To be fair, several years ago Jordan Peterson seemed quite genuine and earnest about wanting to do good in the world...and then his Benzos coma happened, and he was out cold for several months in Russia or something bizarre, an it's very, very obvious that he has never recovered from that. Like, we're talking some amount of genuine brain damage damage which he's just stuck with now. Twitter was also just not a good place for him at all. Some people just get sucked into that sort of stuff, even though it's terrible for their public image, and even though there is so much more they could be doing. Anyone remember how people made fun of eg. Richard Dawkins and Neil deGrasse Tyson for being obnoxiously atheistic on Twitter? Yeah, it's a bit like that.
- pyuser583 3y ago
  I think social media influencers should be excluded from the “second father” category. This is an in person relationship.
  - iamacyborg 3y ago
    Sadly a lot of folks form parasocial relationships with influencers.

iamacyborg 3y ago

Two examples immediately spring to mind, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson. I’m sure both have had some moderately useful things to say at some stage of their life for some folks, but a quick look at their Twitter profile tells you everything you really need to know now.

TwentyPosts 3y ago
To be fair, several years ago Jordan Peterson seemed quite genuine and earnest about wanting to do good in the world...and then his Benzos coma happened, and he was out cold for several months in Russia or something bizarre, an it's very, very obvious that he has never recovered from that. Like, we're talking some amount of genuine brain damage damage which he's just stuck with now. Twitter was also just not a good place for him at all. Some people just get sucked into that sort of stuff, even though it's terrible for their public image, and even though there is so much more they could be doing. Anyone remember how people made fun of eg. Richard Dawkins and Neil deGrasse Tyson for being obnoxiously atheistic on Twitter? Yeah, it's a bit like that.
pyuser583 3y ago
I think social media influencers should be excluded from the “second father” category. This is an in person relationship.
- iamacyborg 3y ago
  Sadly a lot of folks form parasocial relationships with influencers.