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For background: https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024 https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024 This event occurred du
by Veserv 3y ago
For background:
https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024 https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024
This event occurred during a short 1 hour drive with Dan O’Dowd, FSD critic, and Ross Gerber, FSD proponent. Ross Gerber driving his Tesla on FSD 11.4.4, the most recent released version.
The Tesla community had a immediate backlash claiming that Ross, a major Tesla investor, deliberately sabotaged FSD during the intersection to make Tesla look bad. Alternatively, and simultaneously, they claimed that the car would have stopped if only Ross Gerber would have waited and his intervention was unnecessary and detrimental to Tesla FSD marketing.
TeslaBoomerMama, a FSD proponent, who wishes Tesla legal would do things in these sorts of situations to prevent the spread of disinformation [1], organized a effort on Sunday to test the intersection to prove that Dan was engaging in disinformation by claiming that the car was engaging in a dangerous behavior and would have run the stop sign and potentially crashed into the oncoming car.
The testing conclusion is that it is “slow to stop when crossing straight” and “this intersection has a problem… the system does not detect the stop sign in a timely enough manner and you are entering at about 60 kph or about 35 mph, so the problem is real”. In other words, it runs the stop sign as originally claimed by Dan. However, they go to great lengths to try to state that as obliquely as possible while still claiming that Dan is dishonest and mischaracterizing the nature of the event.
[1] https://twitter.com/TeslaBoomerMama/status/1673035422405099521 https://twitter.com/TeslaBoomerMama/status/16730354224050995...
- Kon-Peki 3y agoHold on: the title says that FSD is ignoring the stop sign and your quote says that FSD doesn’t detect the stop sign in a timely enough manner. In my mind, those are two different things. Both bad (but for different reasons).
- Veserv 3y agoI was echoing the naming on a earlier thread talking about the first event I linked: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453633 You are technically correct. I seem to be just in the edit window so I have updated the title to reflect that. Let the record know that the title originally said: “ignore stop sign” instead of “fail at stop sign”.
- Kon-Peki 3y ago:) I watched the video just now. That stop sign does sneak up on you, which is why they put the very visible sign saying that there is a stop sign ahead! FSD obviously needs to recognize the “stop sign ahead” sign and start to slow or do some scanning or whatever to look for a hard-to-see sign. To be honest, this seems like it would be somewhat of a challenge for ML
- nmfisher 3y agoEven if the stop sign does sneak up on you, the fact that the brakes didn't come on as soon it came into view is concerning. I feel like that would have ended very badly if the driver hadn't manually applied the brakes.
- jerkstate 3y agoIt should work if they train it on non-FSD driving at this intersection, most humans would slow down. I wonder why it doesn't, perhaps they don't have the right set of input and output features.
- somerandomqaguy 3y ago> The Tesla community had a immediate backlash claiming that Ross, a major Tesla investor, deliberately sabotaged FSD during the intersection to make Tesla look bad. Alternatively, and simultaneously, they claimed that the car would have stopped if only Ross Gerber would have waited and his intervention was unnecessary and detrimental to Tesla FSD marketing. Wait.... so the driver was being attentive and saw a situation where the FSD may not react properly, and took manual of the control of the vehicle. And now a said driver, a Tesla investor and and proponent, is getting backlash for doing the the very thing that the Tesla community has been insisting is necessary when driving beta FSD, which is to pay attention and be ready to take manual control of the vehicle...? And they're saying it's not a glitch but sabotage? .......... Seriously?
- rasz 3y agoYes, the conclusions are: - _intersection_ has a problem - speed limit is too high, its City fault!!1 - You're Holding It Wrong! car works "flawlessly" if you manually limit speed before crossing this one intersection.
- ethanbond 3y agoAka conclusion is cult good, critics bad.