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Imo, to apologize for something that you didn't actually do is an empty, and quite frankly offensive gesture. It is blatant pandering. I've never been experime

Imo, to apologize for something that you didn't actually do is an empty, and quite frankly offensive gesture. It is blatant pandering. I've never been experimented on against my will, but if I was, and 60 years later some kid fresh out of college decided to "apologize" for the brutality that other people carried out against me... uh, can you be any more tone deaf?

cj 3y ago
> Two dermatologists at the University of California, San Francisco — one of whom remains at the university — conducted the experiments One of the experimenters is still at the university according to the article. What would you have liked to see them do differently or what actions would you have liked to see rather than an apology? (If anything)
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  > What would you have liked to see them do differently or what actions would you have liked to see rather than an apology? (If anything) It's been 60 years, and now the organization makes an apology when it's fashionable? You can't just commit human atrocities and then say "Oh, sorry about all the atrocities." Apologies are not at all appropriate when it comes to human atrocities. Seriously, think about it: if someone committed murder and then apologized to the family for taking their loved one away from this world forever... do you think the family would really want that apology? Or would it be just a slap in the face?
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    Very sympathetic to this point of view, but it looks like they're considering reparations of some sort. Hopefully they come through.
  - dumpsterdiver 3y ago
    To expound upon my point, when groups of people commit human atrocities, they don't deserve to just "apologize". We do not accept your apology, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying. Their organization committed an atrocity, and they have the gall to come out and "apologize"? What are they sorry about exactly? That the world knows what they've done? Yeah, I'm sure they're really sorry about that.
    - hulitu 3y ago
      Some of them are sorry that they cannot continue.
metabagel 3y ago
How can it be both offensive and pandering to the same group? Or is it offensive to one group and pandering to another?
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  Obviously it wouldn't be the same group.
- zdragnar 3y ago
  The pandering is itself offensive, especially if the act is performative. Issuing an apology without holding anyone to account, or offering some means of restitution may very easily be interpreted as nothing but empty words. I am reminded of the trend of inserting land acknowledgement statements at the beginning of speeches and group activities. It panders to a group of people who approve of such things, without making a meaningful or genuine gesture. It is basically another way of saying "hey everyone, this guy over here got screwed. Anyway, let's not bother with changing the status quo, I've got more interesting things to talk about..."

cj 3y ago

> Two dermatologists at the University of California, San Francisco — one of whom remains at the university — conducted the experiments One of the experimenters is still at the university according to the article. What would you have liked to see them do differently or what actions would you have liked to see rather than an apology? (If anything)

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
> What would you have liked to see them do differently or what actions would you have liked to see rather than an apology? (If anything) It's been 60 years, and now the organization makes an apology when it's fashionable? You can't just commit human atrocities and then say "Oh, sorry about all the atrocities." Apologies are not at all appropriate when it comes to human atrocities. Seriously, think about it: if someone committed murder and then apologized to the family for taking their loved one away from this world forever... do you think the family would really want that apology? Or would it be just a slap in the face?
- howinteresting 3y ago
  Very sympathetic to this point of view, but it looks like they're considering reparations of some sort. Hopefully they come through.
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  To expound upon my point, when groups of people commit human atrocities, they don't deserve to just "apologize". We do not accept your apology, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying. Their organization committed an atrocity, and they have the gall to come out and "apologize"? What are they sorry about exactly? That the world knows what they've done? Yeah, I'm sure they're really sorry about that.
  - hulitu 3y ago
    Some of them are sorry that they cannot continue.

metabagel 3y ago

How can it be both offensive and pandering to the same group? Or is it offensive to one group and pandering to another?

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
Obviously it wouldn't be the same group.
zdragnar 3y ago
The pandering is itself offensive, especially if the act is performative. Issuing an apology without holding anyone to account, or offering some means of restitution may very easily be interpreted as nothing but empty words. I am reminded of the trend of inserting land acknowledgement statements at the beginning of speeches and group activities. It panders to a group of people who approve of such things, without making a meaningful or genuine gesture. It is basically another way of saying "hey everyone, this guy over here got screwed. Anyway, let's not bother with changing the status quo, I've got more interesting things to talk about..."