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I don't wanna get into a whole thing, but if you stop to think for maybe 10 seconds, you'd realize that the problems women face (physically, socially, economica

I don't wanna get into a whole thing, but if you stop to think for maybe 10 seconds, you'd realize that the problems women face (physically, socially, economically ,etc) are incomparably worse than what men face. - How about the fact that in some countries women can't even show their hair, have the right to drive or vote? - How about the fact that women are several times more likely to be sexually assaulted? - How about the fact that women have to worry about potential unwanted pregnancy? - How about the fact that abortion laws are being repealed across the United States? - How about the glass ceiling and the fact that women are paid less for the same jobs across many industries? That's not to say that men don't have their own challenges as well, but it's borderline delusional if you think that men and women face the same level of challenges.

MyShawdowySelf 3y ago
> are incomparably worse than what men face. Hummm well i guess i am taking the bait. > How about the fact that in some countries women can't even show their hair, have the right to drive or vote? I don't want to diminish the experience of people in other countries. But comparing acros so many different variable muddy the water. If you gonna bring up women in muslim/arab countries (many of which support the hijab btw), then i will raise you the men currently dying in ukraine and what ever war you want to talk about. Let's focus on the average experience in the US... where we have both enough information and cultural understanding to make good commentary. > - How about the fact that women are several times more likely to be sexually assaulted? Something, something prison... And what about the other kind of assaults... like say murder ? > How about the fact that women have to worry about potential unwanted pregnancy? Touche on this one. Also i would say that women have more control on when/if they want to be parent as opposed to men. And the 18 year child support can be brutal. (Did you know that child support can't be discharged in bankruptcy court ?) > How about the fact that abortion laws are being repealed across the United States? Agree that a travesty. > How about the glass ceiling and the fact that women are paid less for the same jobs across many industries? Yeah this one is a rabit hole. But comparing modern data, and normalizing this is much less pronouced. How about the missing men in univestity etc... etc... > That's not to say that men don't have their own challenges as well, but it's borderline delusional if you think that men and women face the same level of challenges. This must be an american thing, the weird need to diminish or reduce the experience of a certain group. Life sucks, and sucks for a lot of people accros so many different variable. I understand the concept that some issue might be more pressing , but to call someone delusional simply for asking the question is not helful at all...
mikrotikker 3y ago
Its a tit for tat and it probably averages out. Everyone has it shitty: - How about the fact that men commit suicide at greater rates than women - How about the fact that men are 10 times more likely to be killed on the job - How about the fact that men are several times more likely to be physically assaulted - How about the fact that men are more likely to die of covid - How about the fact that 3 in 4 homeless people are men We could go on and on like this in an all day pity party if you want? > I don't wanna get into a whole thing Proceeds to get into the whole thing.
XorNot 3y ago
Also that most problems women face are also part of related issues for men: the construction of femininity in opposition to masculinity has been the basis of an enormous amount of bullying and emotional trauma for men who are perceived to not adequately meet whatever arbitrary standard of "manliness" is allowed. This should be familiar to most male members of this forum: being the computer nerd was weak, not playing the man's sports was "girly", not meeting body image standards is contrasted to being too feminine. Men who are raped aren't taken seriously at all because of these problems. But that's never getting fixed so long as your only answer (and it's rife in this thread) is to construct these issues in opposition to femininity. Instead everyone can remember one person saying "men suck" in some context, and on that basis they're clamoring to tear down decades of progress on equality. Which isn't going to help any man.

MyShawdowySelf 3y ago

> are incomparably worse than what men face. Hummm well i guess i am taking the bait. > How about the fact that in some countries women can't even show their hair, have the right to drive or vote? I don't want to diminish the experience of people in other countries. But comparing acros so many different variable muddy the water. If you gonna bring up women in muslim/arab countries (many of which support the hijab btw), then i will raise you the men currently dying in ukraine and what ever war you want to talk about. Let's focus on the average experience in the US... where we have both enough information and cultural understanding to make good commentary. > - How about the fact that women are several times more likely to be sexually assaulted? Something, something prison... And what about the other kind of assaults... like say murder ? > How about the fact that women have to worry about potential unwanted pregnancy? Touche on this one. Also i would say that women have more control on when/if they want to be parent as opposed to men. And the 18 year child support can be brutal. (Did you know that child support can't be discharged in bankruptcy court ?) > How about the fact that abortion laws are being repealed across the United States? Agree that a travesty. > How about the glass ceiling and the fact that women are paid less for the same jobs across many industries? Yeah this one is a rabit hole. But comparing modern data, and normalizing this is much less pronouced. How about the missing men in univestity etc... etc... > That's not to say that men don't have their own challenges as well, but it's borderline delusional if you think that men and women face the same level of challenges. This must be an american thing, the weird need to diminish or reduce the experience of a certain group. Life sucks, and sucks for a lot of people accros so many different variable. I understand the concept that some issue might be more pressing , but to call someone delusional simply for asking the question is not helful at all...

mikrotikker 3y ago

Its a tit for tat and it probably averages out. Everyone has it shitty: - How about the fact that men commit suicide at greater rates than women - How about the fact that men are 10 times more likely to be killed on the job - How about the fact that men are several times more likely to be physically assaulted - How about the fact that men are more likely to die of covid - How about the fact that 3 in 4 homeless people are men We could go on and on like this in an all day pity party if you want? > I don't wanna get into a whole thing Proceeds to get into the whole thing.

XorNot 3y ago

Also that most problems women face are also part of related issues for men: the construction of femininity in opposition to masculinity has been the basis of an enormous amount of bullying and emotional trauma for men who are perceived to not adequately meet whatever arbitrary standard of "manliness" is allowed. This should be familiar to most male members of this forum: being the computer nerd was weak, not playing the man's sports was "girly", not meeting body image standards is contrasted to being too feminine. Men who are raped aren't taken seriously at all because of these problems. But that's never getting fixed so long as your only answer (and it's rife in this thread) is to construct these issues in opposition to femininity. Instead everyone can remember one person saying "men suck" in some context, and on that basis they're clamoring to tear down decades of progress on equality. Which isn't going to help any man.