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There's a 5:1 male:female suicide rate in my home country. This has been going on for decades. "Temporarily" saying "men suck" doesn't help.

camjohnson26 3y ago
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- BlargMcLarg 3y ago
  ..and what percentage of men commit homicides? And who are the primary victims of homicides?
- znpy 3y ago
  Do you also have stats about the victims too?
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- the_jesus_villa 3y ago
  This is a perilous line of thinking! Let's try it with race - "Black homicide rates are seven to eight times those of whites". And yet, here in Latin America, there are posters in every major city decrying the crisis of "femicidio" (murder of women). Not because they are disproportionately victims (quite the opposite), but because that's what's interesting to the American NGOs that decide what political issues are trendy and important.
- svnt 3y ago
  I am not excusing homicides, but can you imagine that perhaps being emotionally illiterate and constantly put down might cause someone to be more likely to become violent? When they cannot defend themselves in all of the social discussion, bargaining, and gossip that is used for control of their lives, the feeling of helplessness can become overwhelming. And if a confrontation becomes violent, probabilistically the bigger, stronger one will most likely win. In a male-female dynamic where death is the outcome, the origin of the conflict is rarely considered. In many countries girls and women still need education for reading and written communication. I think in every country boys and men should receive education for emotional self-understanding and communication.
- theodric 3y ago
  Men are just really good at cides in general
klik99 3y ago
I really hate to be put in the position of looking like I'm minimizing this, because I made the same point in my post that suicide rates are an obvious indicator that there is something wrong here. But just want to point out that this is not a new thing, and I don't think it was caused by people saying "men suck". https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-s... But I'm with you in the frustration that this isn't talked about.
- Aerroon 3y ago
  To add: a 3-5x ratio of male to female suicides exists in almost every other country too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  No, I don't think you've minimized the issue at all. In fact, you've highlighted the fact that men have always struggled with mental health, and if anything we need more support, not people telling us that we should die.

camjohnson26 3y ago

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BlargMcLarg 3y ago
..and what percentage of men commit homicides? And who are the primary victims of homicides?
znpy 3y ago
Do you also have stats about the victims too?
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the_jesus_villa 3y ago
This is a perilous line of thinking! Let's try it with race - "Black homicide rates are seven to eight times those of whites". And yet, here in Latin America, there are posters in every major city decrying the crisis of "femicidio" (murder of women). Not because they are disproportionately victims (quite the opposite), but because that's what's interesting to the American NGOs that decide what political issues are trendy and important.
svnt 3y ago
I am not excusing homicides, but can you imagine that perhaps being emotionally illiterate and constantly put down might cause someone to be more likely to become violent? When they cannot defend themselves in all of the social discussion, bargaining, and gossip that is used for control of their lives, the feeling of helplessness can become overwhelming. And if a confrontation becomes violent, probabilistically the bigger, stronger one will most likely win. In a male-female dynamic where death is the outcome, the origin of the conflict is rarely considered. In many countries girls and women still need education for reading and written communication. I think in every country boys and men should receive education for emotional self-understanding and communication.
theodric 3y ago
Men are just really good at cides in general

klik99 3y ago

I really hate to be put in the position of looking like I'm minimizing this, because I made the same point in my post that suicide rates are an obvious indicator that there is something wrong here. But just want to point out that this is not a new thing, and I don't think it was caused by people saying "men suck". https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-s... But I'm with you in the frustration that this isn't talked about.

Aerroon 3y ago
To add: a 3-5x ratio of male to female suicides exists in almost every other country too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
dumpsterdiver 3y ago
No, I don't think you've minimized the issue at all. In fact, you've highlighted the fact that men have always struggled with mental health, and if anything we need more support, not people telling us that we should die.